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    Posted: November/28/2011 at 16:45
 has anybody used  20 power binocs instead of a spotting scope. like the pentex ones.  i don't know of any others.
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Larry F.,
 
I use Pentax 20x60 PCF WP,  Pentax 20x60 PCF WP II, Tento 20x60 (USSR),  Spectrum I 20x65 (Japan),
Orion 20x70 Little Giant II (Japan), & Burgess Optical Series II 20x90.
 
I sent an acquaintance of mine my vintage, discontinued, Swift 20x80 Satellite (Japan).
 
I also gave my neighbor an older, discontinued,  FOCAL/Kmart 20x60 (Japan).

I have also used a cheap NcStar 20x70, however, after loaning it to my boss, who is also a hunter, he did not want to give it back to me.
He uses it from his truck window for spotting.  I'm glad that he enjoys glassing with it. 

All of the ones that I have listed are older, discontinued models, with the exception of the Pentax PCF WP II & the NcStar.

Pentax is the only one making a 20x binocular that is waterproof & fogproof and rugged enough for hunting purposes.


 
Just my way of saying that I prefer two-eyed viewing to squinting through a spotting scope.  

Now you know of a few other 20x brand names. Wink
 
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12,20,40x80
 
18x80
 
25x100
 
all zeiss
 
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As always, Odd comes up with some great pictures of stuff we don't see a lot of.Yippee
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Not 20x -but unusual
zeiss DF, -  blc,- and zeiss RF 10x and some great lights
 
 
7x 50 zeiss DF 1920 and blc 7c50 
 
 
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I don't have any 20X, but I do use a 15x80 Steiner extensively. Like Stan, I like using both eyes because it causes less strain for me. I still need a spotter for bringing something in that is really far out.
I can also stabilize them by hand fairly well. I hold the barrels out by the end and bring my elbows back down on my chest. That might be a bit harder with a 20X, though.


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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I still need a spotter for bringing something in that is really far out.
I can also stabilize them by hand fairly well. I hold the barrels out by the end and bring my elbows back down on my chest. That might be a bit harder with a 20X, though.
 
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I also use a Celestron C5 spotting scope on rare occasion for really distant birds.
 
 
For 20x I prefer sitting, but, I also use a selfstanding monopod and a variety of tripods.
 
 
 


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zeissoem2 (Odd),
 
Do you own a Zeiss 20x60 image stabilized binocular?
 
 
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No.
 
3 years ago did I find one almost unused and at low price. But was a few minutes too late to get it.  
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Odd,
 
Have you ever had the opportunity to try the Zeiss 20x60 IS Question
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Last time was I on my way for a meeting to try one. Only 2 kilometer left to drive -did I get a call about that the owner did have to go for a hurry up job and be away from home  for several weeks.
 
He promissed to call back 2-3 weeks later. My phone crashed 1 week later and I missed his phonenumber. He didnt called back 
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No I just walk closer.

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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

No I just walk closer.
 
If that's the case then you have absolutely no need for binoculars whatsoever. Big Grin
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

I don't have any 20X, but I do use a 15x80 Steiner extensively. Like Stan, I like using both eyes because it causes less strain for me.
 
For the benefit of those who might be curious about some of the 15x binoculars on the market I'm attaching this link. Enjoy! Smile 
 
 
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A few things I gleaned from that article that stand out for me(though the first is obvious)...................thanks
  • Side by side is the only way to effectively compare and contrast high quality optics. Period. End of argument.
  • A solid, well designed tripod/adapter/mount system is critical to using 15s to finding little camouflaged things at great distances.   
  • Poro prism binos are easier to use and more comfortable to look through for long periods of time.
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    Here's a favorite paragraph of mine from one of koshkin's binocular reviews:
     
    "In practical terms, I saw about the same amount of detail with the spotter set on about 23x-24x as I did with the 15x binoculars. Not surprisingly, if you plan to do any serious time glassing, I would pick the binoculars every time. Despite the lower magnification, using both eyes really makes up for a slightly smaller image. If I were to use a higher end spotter instead of my Pentax, I suspect that ~18x-20x spotter magnification would equal 15x with a binocular. As the light got dimmer, the advantages of using both eyes became more pronounced. That is partly due to the better glass in Vortex and Swaro and partly due to the remarkable interpretive ability that our brains possess".  Thunbs Up
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    Originally posted by Bird Watcher Bird Watcher wrote:

    Here's a favorite paragraph of mine from one of koshkin's binocular reviews:
     
    "In practical terms, I saw about the same amount of detail with the spotter set on about 23x-24x as I did with the 15x binoculars. Not surprisingly, if you plan to do any serious time glassing, I would pick the binoculars every time. Despite the lower magnification, using both eyes really makes up for a slightly smaller image. If I were to use a higher end spotter instead of my Pentax, I suspect that ~18x-20x spotter magnification would equal 15x with a binocular. As the light got dimmer, the advantages of using both eyes became more pronounced. That is partly due to the better glass in Vortex and Swaro and partly due to the remarkable interpretive ability that our brains possess".  Thunbs Up


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    This really reminds me that I need to step away from riflescope reviews for a little bit and do a couple of binocular articles.  I have been walking around with some binocular comparison ideas for some time now.

    As far as high magnification binoculars go, if you are on a budget the Pentax porros are almost the only way to go, although I have seen some decent Oberwerk ones too.

    Generally, high magnification binoculars have pretty limited depth perception, so porros with their widely spaced objective lenses often offer a subjective image quality advantage simply because of the improved depth perception.  That gives "texture" to the image.

    With porros, you can also use larger objective lenses which really makes a difference for high magnification optics.  Note that in the link above, roof prism binoculars have smaller objectives than the porros.

    For that matter, if you are looking for a 15x or thereabouts big binocular and are OK with individual eye focus, those 15x80 Steiners tahqua has are excellent.  Fujinon FMT-SX 16x70 are better eyet in terms of pure optical quality.

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    Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

    As far as high magnification binoculars go, if you are on a budget the Pentax porros are almost the only way to go, although I have seen some decent Oberwerk ones too.
     
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    ILya,
     
    My biggest gripe with the Chinese Oberwerk binoculars is the lousy one or two year warranty they come with. 
    The top-of-the-line, Oberwerk, straight through binoculars are excellent, although most of them are heavy. 
    Also, I am not a big fan of Individual Focus binoculars, especially when it comes to tracking game that is on the move.
    Depth of Focus is rather shallow when it comes to high magnification binoculars such as 20x.
     
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    I am surprised that no one has mentioned the Canon IS 15x and 18x IS bins.  I own the 15x50's and they are simply amazing. I love these things.  They work very well in hand when the IS is on.  I can see that they are working if I look for it because the movement seams delayed somehow. But anyways in hand they are better than anything out there with high power (I reserve the right to say they may not be better than the Zeiss IS because I have yet to get my hands on some). On the tripod where you dont need the IS turned on, they are even better! Edge to edge I have yet to see a better bino period. My only gripe is they seam to lack a tad in brightness but yet I dont have another 15x regular bin to compare with. Higher power ='s less light so it may not be the bins, but the power.

    I can see that the time I spend behind my spotter will be greatly reduced with these.  So will the bruised eye and headaches from the spotter.  I dont care what anyone says, spend an entire day behind a spotter and it messes with you.  Spend an entire week behind one and your brain stops seeing things the same way. I have done this several times!  My spotter is one of the best money can buy (Kowa Prominar 884) and it is still hard on me after a long period. I have even resorted to buying an eyepatch to use for next years hunt (2012 season) to see if not squinting will help make spotting more comfortable. ARGHH LOL
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    Originally posted by Sako7STW Sako7STW wrote:

    I dont care what anyone says, spend an entire day behind a spotter and it messes with you.  Spend an entire week behind one and your brain stops seeing things the same way. I have even resorted to buying an eyepatch to use for next years hunt (2012 season) to see if not squinting will help make spotting more comfortable. ARGHH LOL
     
    By the time I got around to buying an eye patch I had pretty much given up on using my spotting scope.
    Straight through binoculars are more comfortable to use and alot less of a hassle.
    For me, there is no substitute for the pleasure of two-eyed viewing.  Looker
     
    I did not mention the Canon IS because only one model is waterproof (10x42L WP).
     


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    Canon is pretty cautious about making claims on their products. Like said, there is only one model they list as WP. However, in the manual for my 15x model, it does states that they will be fine in rain or snow conditions, just dont drop them in the lake or river basically.

    I forgot to mention, my only other gripe with the Canon's is they wont fit in my Badlands Bino pack.  Which BTW, is the cats meow of bino packs for hunting IMHO
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    Originally posted by Sako7STW Sako7STW wrote:

    I forgot to mention, my only other gripe with the Canon's is they wont fit in my Badlands Bino pack. 
     
    Perhaps you should down-size to the Canon IS 12x36 bino, as it is one inch shorter. Wink
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