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I would also say a 243 is one of the better out there to do deer, varmint, and predator well. It is a very versatile cartridge. I think you will enjoy it. 

I have not had one in years. I traded it in on my current 308. I have been thinking really hard about getting another. It was a fun cartridge to shoot.


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I almost have more 243's than I know what to do with.  One of my favorites
 
H4831 is the most consistent performer for me with 100gr deer hunting bullets
 
The 105 Amax has been sporadically available for about 4 to 6 months now.  It is questionable if the 9.25 twist will stabilize them so don't buy the 250 box right away.  The 107gr Sierra Match King can be found easier, but also may not work in the 9.25 twist.  Sierra's new 95gr HPBT MK might be fun for a longer range load
 
Since you are not big game hunting with it I would work up loads with bullets in the 70-80 grain range.  The 75gr V-Max and Nosler Ballistic Tip are awesome performers.  3400+ fps pretty easy, or just plinkers at 2800-3000
 
In any case go ahead and buy it.  Lots of fun
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I do not know how many on here still look at sectional density as a benchmark for hunting. Here is a cross section of the sectional density of common hunting calibers. 

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The .243win almost became #2 in the LEO world for marksman platforms... If you look you can still pick up a .243win Black or Green rifle that FBI, CIA, DEA and or other top Police LAPD, CPD, NYPD or DPD; and the such with the faster twist as well as with some custom glass a few went so far as to do some custom reticles the L&S had the M-1 and M-2 ULTRA series that had one of the pretiest reticles I have ever seen for the .243 90-105gr (i forget) bullet. 

 
I am not trying to argue but I would not hestitate to put the crosshairs over anything in the U.S.  (ok so a bear with a SA (PTR 91V that I have or a LR-243)...
 
I use the VV n560 with 47.5grs with the 105 SCENAR.
 
Pretty nasty combo and a very flat shooting cartridge with maximum effect...
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I killed my first deer, a muley doe, with a clean 250 yard shot from a Remington 700 in .243.  She dropped dead, just like my first muley buck did with the same gun the next year.

I really like .243 as a deer cartridge with a "hard" bullet like Barnes X, Accubond, Swift Scirrocco, etc.

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It is a great dear rifle and coyote riffle. Flatter than a 308 there are nice bullets for them too.

its not a great deer rifle, i would argue that. its a marginal caliber for deer in my book. to me deer calibers start at .257 diameter, not 6mm. if you shoot a 100gr bullet they work very well, but most of the lighter bullets made for the .243 are designed for taking varmints.

Well, yes it would depend on the bullets chosen just like any other caliber. I respect your opinion but it is plenty to cleanly take white tail deer with the proper bullet. For some, the lighter recoil makes shot placement easier. 

In my opinion, I am from KY, at typical distances of 75 to 150 yds it is a great deer rifle.

thats one point i certainly didnt mention, do i feel comfortable taking deer with the .243 sure. would i feel that way with my wife?? probably not. i would opt for .260 or a 7-08 in that case.
your hunting situation is very similar to mine as far as distances go.

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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by 308 Sav 308 Sav wrote:

It is a great dear rifle and coyote riffle. Flatter than a 308 there are nice bullets for them too.

its not a great deer rifle, i would argue that. its a marginal caliber for deer in my book. to me deer calibers start at .257 diameter, not 6mm. if you shoot a 100gr bullet they work very well, but most of the lighter bullets made for the .243 are designed for taking varmints.
Afraid I'll have to argue with you there. I'll take my .243 deer hunting all day long, and never feel under-gunned. Good 100 gr. bullet in the boiler room will put them down every time. I've never had a deer fail to go down with it out to 325 yds. I don't find deer to be hard to kill. Taken a few with a .22-250.

thats fine, but would you turn a newbie loose with it and still feel confident?? i wouldnt, to many deer up here end up as eagle food because to many newbies made a marginal shot with the .243. if it were a 30-06 maybe the story has a happier ending. i dont know that pure speculation on my part. you are also  agreeing with me that 100gr bullet is a very good choice, it is but you tell me how many idiots out there pay any attention to that stupid number on the end of the box??

i too have used the 22-250, neck and head shots will bang flop em any time.
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My brother has a 243.  He shoots both the 100 and 105 gr bullets in his.  Not sure what powder he uses anymore though.  Will have to ask him.

Also have a few friend that use them.  The have taken elk with them too.  Not that I would recommend it, but it is all about shot placement.
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by 308 Sav 308 Sav wrote:

It is a great dear rifle and coyote riffle. Flatter than a 308 there are nice bullets for them too.

its not a great deer rifle, i would argue that. its a marginal caliber for deer in my book. to me deer calibers start at .257 diameter, not 6mm. if you shoot a 100gr bullet they work very well, but most of the lighter bullets made for the .243 are designed for taking varmints.
Afraid I'll have to argue with you there. I'll take my .243 deer hunting all day long, and never feel under-gunned. Good 100 gr. bullet in the boiler room will put them down every time. I've never had a deer fail to go down with it out to 325 yds. I don't find deer to be hard to kill. Taken a few with a .22-250.

thats fine, but would you turn a newbie loose with it and still feel confident??
Well, I did last night. I wouldn't turn anyone loose with a .375 H&H if I didn't think they could make the shot. Bigger calibers are a poor replacement for poor shooting. Shoot what you are comfortable with, and put the bullet where it belongs.  I felt she could make the shot with this gun, so that's what I sent her with.... and so far she's 3 deer for 3 shots. 

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Looks like good eating there Trigger!  I think the 243 is a good gun for newbies on deer.  They can manage the recoil and shoot well without being afraid of the gun.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by 308 Sav 308 Sav wrote:

It is a great dear rifle and coyote riffle. Flatter than a 308 there are nice bullets for them too.

its not a great deer rifle, i would argue that. its a marginal caliber for deer in my book. to me deer calibers start at .257 diameter, not 6mm. if you shoot a 100gr bullet they work very well, but most of the lighter bullets made for the .243 are designed for taking varmints.
Afraid I'll have to argue with you there. I'll take my .243 deer hunting all day long, and never feel under-gunned. Good 100 gr. bullet in the boiler room will put them down every time. I've never had a deer fail to go down with it out to 325 yds. I don't find deer to be hard to kill. Taken a few with a .22-250.

thats fine, but would you turn a newbie loose with it and still feel confident??
Well, I did last night. I wouldn't turn anyone loose with a .375 H&H if I didn't think they could make the shot. Bigger calibers are a poor replacement for poor shooting. Shoot what you are comfortable with, and put the bullet where it belongs.  I felt she could make the shot with this gun, so that's what I sent her with.... and so far she's 3 deer for 3 shots. 

she is far from a newbie. im talking about somebody who has never been hunting before maybe just went to a local shop and got a rifle for the first time sighted it in and went hunting.
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Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

, I did last night. I wouldn't turn anyone loose with a .375 H&H if I didn't think they could make the shot. Bigger calibers are a poor replacement for poor shooting. Shoot what you are comfortable with, and put the bullet where it belongs.  I felt she could make the shot with this gun, so that's what I sent her with.... and so far she's 3 deer for 3 shots. 
 
 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

Originally posted by 308 Sav 308 Sav wrote:

It is a great dear rifle and coyote riffle. Flatter than a 308 there are nice bullets for them too.

its not a great deer rifle, i would argue that. its a marginal caliber for deer in my book. to me deer calibers start at .257 diameter, not 6mm. if you shoot a 100gr bullet they work very well, but most of the lighter bullets made for the .243 are designed for taking varmints.
Afraid I'll have to argue with you there. I'll take my .243 deer hunting all day long, and never feel under-gunned. Good 100 gr. bullet in the boiler room will put them down every time. I've never had a deer fail to go down with it out to 325 yds. I don't find deer to be hard to kill. Taken a few with a .22-250.

thats fine, but would you turn a newbie loose with it and still feel confident??
Well, I did last night. I wouldn't turn anyone loose with a .375 H&H if I didn't think they could make the shot. Bigger calibers are a poor replacement for poor shooting. Shoot what you are comfortable with, and put the bullet where it belongs.  I felt she could make the shot with this gun, so that's what I sent her with.... and so far she's 3 deer for 3 shots. 

she is far from a newbie. im talking about somebody who has never been hunting before maybe just went to a local shop and got a rifle for the first time sighted it in and went hunting.
 
Hunter, think about what your saying. I wouldn't want anyone with and rifle to do this. Its not just a.243. I have tract many deer with half there inards hangin out from "new" hunters who bought the biggest and badest rifle they could find. Its not just a .243 but all people who just want to say there hunters.I trust my 12 yr old with his 243 and he has not shot a deer yet, but we do practice with him out to 300 yards. He has only shot at one deer. he watched it for 20 minutes and told me he didn't have a shot and didn't rush it. when he shot the deer was a tad over 200 yards and he shot low. He was shaking like a limb on a tree during a wind storm. the stand we was in was kind of add and that played a part of him missing. but anyways it's not the cal of the rifle but the user of it.
 
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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

i wouldnt, to many deer up here end up as eagle food because to many newbies made a marginal shot with the .243. if it were a 30-06 maybe the story has a happier ending. 
 
Not meaning to stir the pot, but the scenairo you describbed was due to poor shot placement, not the caliber.  I know someone who was moose hunting that took 6-shots with a 30-378 Weatherby to bring down a moose.  The reason was poor shot placement cause by a undetected gun problem (Leupold windage screw(s) had loosen ever so slightly).  While a 243 is a good deer cartridge the hunter needs to realize it won't have the thump at further distances than a 30.06.
 
As far as powders go, I have a 6mm Remington (based on 7x57 case vs. a 308) and I too was surprised that the slow powders perform as good as they do.  For me, H4831SC and Hybrid 100-V have worked very well.  RL-15 worked pretty good too but the velocities are down.  H4350 was so-so.
 
 
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I have killed alot of mule deer and elk with a .243.  I think it is a fantastic deer rifle.  
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Winchester Super-X Power Max Bonded Ammunition 243 Winchester 100 Grain Protected Hollow Point   -----Well I bought two boxes of these and mailed in the $5 rebate currently offered by Winchester.
 
I am still trying to figure out what to load but I wanted something that I could at least get the scope zeroed, and I hate to have a rifle and no ammo for it.  I have really been looking for the 105 gr AMAX but there are none at the stores here but I could probably mail order some, those have a really good balistic coefficient.  I am strongly considering the Barnes tipped TSX 80 gr or the 85 gr TSX  because I can get them here and I have had good luck with Barnes bullets the down side being the cost. I have also been looking at the light fast bullets, this caliber can really put out some speed compared to most of the stuff I shoot and the 58 gr vmax looks interesting.   Are any of you guys using any of these to reload?  If I went to a light varmit bullet I would probably want to switch scopes to a higher power ---- so Im still not sure which bullet and it is complicated by the fact that I would prefer to stick with a powder I already use IMR 4350 Varget RL15 but only a few of the bullets show loads for those powders so I may have to add a powder also.  Isnt this fun Whistling

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Never loaded the bullets you mentioned, but loaded some 85gr. Hornady interbond for Alexis last year. She shot a doe with one, but they didn't group well in that rifle. It seems to prefer the 100gr. Maybe it's just me, or maybe my gun just doesn't like the lighter weights, but I'll try 100gr. partitions next.

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Originally posted by pyro6999 pyro6999 wrote:

 she is far from a newbie. im talking about somebody who has never been hunting before maybe just went to a local shop and got a rifle for the first time sighted it in and went hunting.

Ok, I would not feel comfortable with them having a 50 BMG either.

Pyro you are allowed your opinion, but there are very few times (I can think of) that a larger caliber will make up for proper shot placement. Not picking on you here, I truly an curious as to the other sides point of view. I have some acquaintances that hold the same opinion as you. I try to listen to what they have to say with an open mind and I will you also. Discussion is always good.

Deciding factors for a clean kill
1) Shot placement (the bullet must strike critical organs)
2) The bullet must be constructed properly to penetrate and expand without falling apart.
3) It must reach its target with enough force to penetrate to those vital organs and preferably completely through.

If those 3 things happen, it is a clean kill no matter the caliber.

In my opinion, the only things a larger caliber does for you, that a sufficient caliber does not, if big enough, it might break enough bone to incapacitate the animal long enough for you to shoot a killing shot. Or, if you do not hit the vitals, it might bleed out faster.  Knockdown power or kinetic energy transferal would require the bullet not to exit the body.  Since most hunting shots are through and through, I rule that out. I am curious as to what you feel gives it the edge.

So for a newbie, if they can shoot their weapon to consistently hit a 6 in kill zone within the yardages they will be shooting and are comfortable with their recoil and they use proper ammunition rated for their game (it is printed on the box), I am as comfortable with them hunting with a 243 as I would be if they were using a 300 mag. 

In no way will I ever get on someone who prefers to use a larger caliber. I will not ever get on someone that chooses a lighter recoiling rifle that is tried and true for what they are hunting. The 243 was designed to be a combination deer/varmint cartridge and it has done a fine job for a lot of years. As a matter of fact many think it is the perfect young gun (because of the recoil). So for many they feel it is the perfect newbie cartridge.  
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The biggest benefit of a larger cal if if you hit bone.  Shooting say an elk with a .243, if you hit the shoulder there is a good chance that is may not get to the vitals.  But if you are shooting a 225 grain .338 bullet then it is going to get there.  I realize that is a pretty extreme example but you get the drift. 

Yes shot placement is important, but it is not always going to hit right where you want.  If the animal decides to take a step right as you shoot, or the wind gusts or you slightly pull the shot then your perfect shot is no more.  So sometimes penetration is just as important.


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