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Originally posted by Lockjaw Lockjaw wrote:

I will. I am still torn. I can handle any longer range shot with a 308 or 270. But I sure do like the grendel. 

I am just dying to shoot a deer with my 30/30. I think that barnes bullet will get it done. 

Really I wish I had a one size gun for tree stands, thick cover and a longer shot. I may end up with an AR10. I just cannot deal with being in a shooting house with a 22 in barrel rifle. To hard to move around. 
 




I have an AR10 with a 16" barrel (308, Sig 716) and another with a 22" (Seekins SP10 in 6.5cm): THE sig is appreciably better in the field, but I have more confidence in longer shots with the seekins.  The very best of all worlds is a DTA SRS, it gets you an 18" barrel in a rifle the size of an M4.  But if you shoot lefty...


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Me and core lokts have not had a good history. I have shot 2 deer with them one from 7-08, 140gr, and the other from a 270, 150 grain. Never found either. The 270 was a very nice 8pt. He died, buzzards helped find him later, beautiful double lung shot. Didn't even flinch when I shot him, at 40 yards or less. 

The most impressive killing has been my 7-08 with winchester supreme BST, but... the new version of it. nope. I hate it too. I had the confidence that if I had a deer in the scope, and pulled the trigger, it was down for the count. So many DRT. I killed 8 in one year with it, none ran over 25 yards. I shot one facing me, and flipped it over. Out of my 16.5 in Ruger. 

I suppose there is no magic bullet, but for a while there, I had it. 

I looked at 300 blk, not gonna get there for me. I think if I want to run an SBR, I should step up to a 308 or something. 
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 DRT is about trauma, not about filling lungs with blood or puncturing the heart, or both.


I mostly hunt South Texas, in very, very thick scrub, and everything has a thorn.  Not only have I spent many hours picking needles out of me, but I've lost an animal or 2 that were very, very well hit.

My recipe for success and the only recipe that has lead to almost all DRT kills is a 300 Winchester Magnum shooting Barnes TSX or TTSX at max velocity (just backed off from first pressure signs) - and the round placed right into the front shoulder.  Yes, it damages meat (that eventually becomes burger or sausage anyway) but a deer cannot run off when its heart and lungs are perforated AND its front legs don't work.

That said, I've popped a few hogs with the same gun in the same spot and a hog CAN run off without functioning front legs.  It is a sad and funny thing to see, but those little bastards are tough.

For things I am more comfortable tracking a bit, or if it is a smaller animal that won't survive the impact regardless, I use either a shorter 308 (16") with 168 TAP or a 243AI with 105 Amax, both are hammers, neither has to authority to cause the trauma of the 300WM.

There is no magic bullet or magic caliber, but there is confidence, and it has to be earned.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

 DRT is about trauma, not about filling lungs with blood or puncturing the heart, or both.


I mostly hunt South Texas, in very, very thick scrub, and everything has a thorn.  Not only have I spent many hours picking needles out of me, but I've lost an animal or 2 that were very, very well hit.

My recipe for success and the only recipe that has lead to almost all DRT kills is a 300 Winchester Magnum shooting Barnes TSX or TTSX at max velocity (just backed off from first pressure signs) - and the round placed right into the front shoulder.  Yes, it damages meat (that eventually becomes burger or sausage anyway) but a deer cannot run off when its heart and lungs are perforated AND its front legs don't work.

That said, I've popped a few hogs with the same gun in the same spot and a hog CAN run off without functioning front legs.  It is a sad and funny thing to see, but those little bastards are tough.

For things I am more comfortable tracking a bit, or if it is a smaller animal that won't survive the impact regardless, I use either a shorter 308 (16") with 168 TAP or a 243AI with 105 Amax, both are hammers, neither has to authority to cause the trauma of the 300WM.

There is no magic bullet or magic caliber, but there is confidence, and it has to be earned.


There is a lot of truth that quadrupeds don't make good tripeds and even less functional bipeds. However, I'm always amazed how far deer can drive themselves basically on their nose
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When I think back about all the deer I have killed, I only recall one ever being DRT with my 270. Lost several.
 I had 2 I shot with a bow that were CNS down, not dead, but unable to run. One ran 30 yards. One broke my arrow and didn't die. 
44 mag I shot one deer, it ran off, but not far, nice blood trail.
708, probably greater than 50% DRT. Lost two deer. Killed the most deer with it. 
308, lost one deer. 165 grain. 150's I found every one. 

I have helped track deer that were shot with a 308, and no blood hardly. I helped a guy hunt for a deer he shot with a 270, cor lock, found bone, blood and tissue. Blood trail disappeared. 
Lost one last year my son shot with my AR15 and a 60 grain partition. Plenty of blood. Every deer I have never found except for one, I had good blood and then it stopped. 

Guy at our club shot a doe a few years ago with a 338 Win mag, we never found it. 

I have shot several deer through the front shoulder, and yes, they can propel themselves places. But it is tough on them. I guess since it ends up being burger anyway, I should start there. 

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Due to Michigan DNR rules for the southern zone only straight walled cartridges under a 1.80 inches are allowed. The  .450 is selling in huge numbers in bolt actions and AR's.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Lockjaw Lockjaw wrote:

I will. I am still torn. I can handle any longer range shot with a 308 or 270. But I sure do like the grendel. 

I am just dying to shoot a deer with my 30/30. I think that barnes bullet will get it done. 

Really I wish I had a one size gun for tree stands, thick cover and a longer shot. I may end up with an AR10. I just cannot deal with being in a shooting house with a 22 in barrel rifle. To hard to move around. 
 




I have an AR10 with a 16" barrel (308, Sig 716) and another with a 22" (Seekins SP10 in 6.5cm): THE sig is appreciably better in the field, but I have more confidence in longer shots with the seekins.  The very best of all worlds is a DTA SRS, it gets you an 18" barrel in a rifle the size of an M4.  But if you shoot lefty...

I am surprised you havn't bought DTA's MDR yet.

ILya
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 I shoot ambi, and it isn't a great gun for weakside shooting.  That, and I was planning to get one 2 years ago when they were supposed to come out.  When a thing is delayed that long, I get a bit wary.

I'm not a huge bullpup fan, but I do like smaller footprint with a normal barrel length.

Do you have one?
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

 I shoot ambi, and it isn't a great gun for weakside shooting.  That, and I was planning to get one 2 years ago when they were supposed to come out.  When a thing is delayed that long, I get a bit wary.

I'm not a huge bullpup fan, but I do like smaller footprint with a normal barrel length.

Do you have one?

Their Cali-legal version is not out yet, but initial reports on the regular version are pretty good.

I am on the fence whether to get the MDR or Kel-Tec's bullpup that is pretty ambidextrous.  I also shoot both sides, although I am normally right handed.  Up to no Kel-tec was pretty much the best game in town for ambi shooting.

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