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 I dont know if the FiveX has similar trigger to the regular 320, but 320 is not drop safe. You can send it to sig and have them fix it with a glock safety style trigger.
as far as having big hands I'm 6'9. BIG HANDS. most comfortable gun and most I enjoy shooting is 92. thats good grip size for my hands.

I've owned and carryed alot, but what I always go back to is my Glock 26 for.  Its just practical.

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Originally posted by GiantGreg GiantGreg wrote:


I dont know if the FiveX has similar trigger to the regular 320, but 320 is not drop safe. You can send it to sig and have them fix it with a glock safety style trigger.
as far as having big hands I'm 6'9. BIG HANDS. most comfortable gun and most I enjoy shooting is 92. thats good grip size for my hands.

I've owned and carryed alot, but what I always go back to is my Glock 26 for.  Its just practical.



Greg you didn’t finish, 6’9” , how many lbs?
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Originally posted by GiantGreg GiantGreg wrote:

 I dont know if the FiveX has similar trigger to the regular 320, but 320 is not drop safe. You can send it to sig and have them fix it with a glock safety style trigger.

The X5 didn't have the drop issues the regular 320s did. The trigger has less mass and therefore didn't need to be changed. Omaha Outdoors the people who first discovered the drop issue tested the X5 and couldn't get it to fire.

The upgraded 320s do not have a "Glock" style safety trigger. The new trigger is much thinner among other changes.

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Even Mr Bond says...


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Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Originally posted by GiantGreg GiantGreg wrote:


I dont know if the FiveX has similar trigger to the regular 320, but 320 is not drop safe. You can send it to sig and have them fix it with a glock safety style trigger.
as far as having big hands I'm 6'9. BIG HANDS. most comfortable gun and most I enjoy shooting is 92. thats good grip size for my hands.

I've owned and carryed alot, but what I always go back to is my Glock 26 for.  Its just practical.



Greg you didn’t finish, 6’9” , how many lbs?

Usually im between 220-240 depending on time of year and if I've pooped or not.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_SFZaZ8v8g

This guy kinda hit the nail on the head, but I could say so much more, or I have all ready.
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That's just blasphemy...

Now, get your prayer rug out and repeat after me: "Thou shalt have no handgun but Glock and Gaston is his prophet" 

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

That's just blasphemy...

Now, get your prayer rug out and repeat after me: "Thou shalt have no handgun but Glock and Gaston is his prophet" 

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Nope, sorry, I'm a Smith and Wessonite.
I do believe a M&P has a cylinder though.
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Before the days of the wonder nines, a 4 inch Model 19 or 66 with a speed loader or two loaded with 125gr, JHP .357 Magnums was all you needed. Maybe a Walther PPK/S with an extra mag or two for a backup.
Then the wonder nines became popular, but all I could do was increase the number of speed loaders to four, and keep a shotgun in the car.
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Originally posted by GiantGreg GiantGreg wrote:

Originally posted by Peddler Peddler wrote:

Originally posted by GiantGreg GiantGreg wrote:


I dont know if the FiveX has similar trigger to the regular 320, but 320 is not drop safe. You can send it to sig and have them fix it with a glock safety style trigger.
as far as having big hands I'm 6'9. BIG HANDS. most comfortable gun and most I enjoy shooting is 92. thats good grip size for my hands.

I've owned and carryed alot, but what I always go back to is my Glock 26 for.  Its just practical.



Greg you didn’t finish, 6’9” , how many lbs?

Usually im between 220-240 depending on time of year and if I've pooped or not.



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I'm patiently waiting for Milt Sparks to make a holster for my HK 45.

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Will he do a HK45 holster?

If so, yea, I am getting in line.
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I MISS OWNING HANDGUNS SO FREAKIN' MUCH!!!!
Was sure I had a point when I started this post...
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Glocks tend to have love/hate relationships with their owners.
I'll cast my vote with Rancid Coolaid and BeltFed.

Glock pistols did set higher standards for capacity, reliability, and durability. 
They also established new lows for ugliness, bad triggers, and awkward grips.
koshkin, you are indeed fortunate.  You may be one of the few people the Glock grip actually fits!
The "Glock Perfection" mantra  is simply self-adulation.

Trigger -  Glock is responsible for the little  "thingy" in the middle of many of today's pistol triggers. I loathe the damnable things.  The Glock factory trigger causes a blister (and then a cut) on my trigger finger.  In addition, it gives a false sense of contact, being further forward than the real trigger.  Taking up the initial slack feels like the trigger on an 1891 Argentine Mauser. Unfortunately, things go downhill from there.  There's an additional long take-up instead of a short, sharp click.  Most of the cap pistols I played with as a kid had better triggers than the Glock.   

Grip - The Glock grip is too big and awkward, for no reason.  It causes the gun to point unnaturally high for most shooters.  Hand any new shooter a Glock 19, after he or she has tried several other pistols, and they will immediately tell you that!  If Jeff Cooper hadn't popularized the two-handed grip, the Glock would have made it necessary.  It is proof positive that humans can adapt to almost anything.  Glock did finally get rid of the finger grooves, which surely must have fit at least one person (but not my medium-sized hands).      

I've owned the Glock 23 in Gen 1, 2, and 3 versions.
The Gen 3 was improved enough to warrant some custom work.
I had Cylinder and Slide do a grip reduction (with stippling).  They did a great job.
This changed the grip angle back to normal (i.e., the same as most other pistols).
The pistol is now a natural pointer, which I consider critical for any self-defense gun.

I replaced the trigger with a considerably better after-market trigger.
It is a distinct improvement, but still far from perfect. 
I also added a set of TruGlo night sights.

My Glock 23  now works as carry gun.
Also, as a "wake up in the middle of the night" gun with night sights and plenty of rounds in case there's more than one intruder.  (Bad guys often travel in twos and threes.)

So yes, I own and use a Glock.
It is unlikely that it will ever be one of my favorites, but it does do certain things very well.
        

 
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 Got to handle a 320 compact over the weekend at the LGS.... very nice trigger..... debating now if I want to pick up the compact or get the x-carry.......  Not sure I like the full size grip on the x carry so will probably go compact but I do like the gun feel.   They did not have a PPQ..... still want to handle one

 

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 Isn't the Carry just 0.2" longer?  (I have not held/shot the Carry or Compact.)
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 The X carry is like the glock 19X.... full size frame, compact slide   17rd capacity vs the compact 15rd capacity.    Not sure of the exact dimensions... still researching a bit.  I like the added benefits of the x carry but can also make a compact have those items I desire (sights, flat trigger) for cheaper than the difference between the 2 but wouldn't have the ability t add the optic or have the slide cuts

Comparison is the X Carry is the 19X and the Compact is the 19

 

I did like the trigger a whole lot though.

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 So X-Carry is .2" taller than the compact but same size as the standard Carry model and the X-Carry is .2" longer overall as well.   Don't think i'd have issues carrying it over the other so may just find an x carry
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Originally posted by Urimaginaryfrnd Urimaginaryfrnd wrote:

I'm patiently waiting for Milt Sparks to make a holster for my HK 45.
 







If there is one thing that bugs me (there are many, now that I think about it, but...), it is when people ask a question to which they can easily find the answer without my input.  I did that, sorry.

I just checked TopGunSupply (not a competitor with SWFA, I think.  If it is, apologies, redact that) and they have VM2s for HK45 as well as HK 320 Carry, which I shall be purchasing ricky tick!

As for frame length, the Carry is slightly longer and holds 2 more rounds than the Compact.  As I have large hands, and like having 2 more rounds on tap, I shall be purchasing Carry conversion kit for my existing Xfive - which I like very much.  More to follow.

Glocks for sale soon, I am guessing!


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 Well after thinking about all the options I went ahead and got a x-carry on the way.... distributor was trying to move 3 and my buddy at the LGS got them all 3 for a steal so I'm not paying much more than the carry version plus night sights would have cost me.  To arrive tomorrow. 
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 And all the X-carry's that were ordered arrived as just X5s...... no carrys....
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I am a glock fan, although not a fan of the 23 or smaller versions of 40 cal. While I loved my 23 for a carry gun, I didn't like shooting it alot at the range. It tended to bite my trigger finger on the bottom of the guard. 

I traded it for a SW99 in the same caliber, a gun I truly did like, and thought the extra weight would tame the sharp recoil of the 40. NOPE! But it was a great gun. 

Years ago, I got a demo Gen 3 G17. The only thing I haven't changed on it is a trigger. I got factory nite sites when they had glock days at a local store for 50 bucks installed. I usually take it deer hunting, or ATV riding, although if its dusty, I sometimes take my SW Sigma instead. It's sort of blocky, but I did the trigger mod on it, which helped it immensely. 

Here is what I truly love about a Glock, besides the fact its sort of like an AR15, you can do about anything with it. As a carry platform, you can go G17, 19 and 26, and the mags from the 17 and 19 will work in the 26. Magpul makes a nice G17 mag too. And then there is a 33 round one from Glock. That means on any given day, you could conceal a G17 or 19, and have a 26 as your bug, and only need mags from the bigger gun. 

During the Obomination years, I changed alot of my gun stuff, to make sure I had common calibers. That means 9mm, 38/357 and 45. You other guys can call me crazy if you want, but..... I don't think a 9mm kills less than a 40, or 357 sig, or any other wonderzoot caliber. Truth be told if I really wanted to make sure I killed someone, I would shoot a 357 with a 125gr JHP. When it was tracked, that was the supreme most effective one shot stopper out there. Bullet technology has improved since then, so I am sure the gap has closed. 

Is my glock as beautiful as my Kimber? Heck no. Is it as accurate? Heck no. Does it cycle as smoothly? NOPE. Does the trigger break as nice? Nope. 

But you know what? I don't like to carry my kimber when I go dinking around in the woods. If I was going to scratch up a gun, I would rather scratch up my glock, or for that matter, my SW Sigma. The Kimber stays in the safe and goes with me to the range every once in a while. I know its shame that's the life it leads, but.... hey... 
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

 And all the X-carry's that were ordered arrived as just X5s...... no carrys....
Anyone looking for an P320 X5 PM me.  Shop is going to run a special to move them.
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I’m not a hater, g19 gen5 ameriglo on it’s way. ;-)
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I probably should have admitted to carrying a pistol. A Kel-Tec PMR30 is my yard work, hunt club maintenance, coon hunting, etc. gun. It gets bug spray and sweat and fertilizer all over it. Basically, I tote it when I'll wear a flimsy belt or will beat on whatever I take.

The only real complaint is the heel mag release. It'll let the mag free when riding in a vehicle sometimes.
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