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I still like the V-TAC, and may still pick one up, or at least a X grip.
The P320 series is easy to modify, mix and match to fit your needs.
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Hey RC, do you have a holster for your M17 yet, and what did you get if you do?
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 I have a Serpa that works fine, but isn't concealment.  The gun fits in a leather IWB for something I have - maybe a P30 or an HK45.  It fit, but it did rub off the finish in spots.

I'll probably get a Kramer or Alessi for it, I have several of both for various guns and they are my favorites - other than a Milt Sparks Executive for 1911s.
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 RC.... do you have a red dot on that X-Five?  if so, where'd you get plate?  Thinking to set mine up with a red dot
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 No dot, irons for now.
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 10-4..... would like to put a shield on it if possible being that's the one everyone here recommend right now.... but finding a plate for that my be an issues.   Found it for the sig romeo.....

 

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 figured out a romeo 1 will mount right on with no plate... going to try that.
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 Milt Sparks Executive Companion in the works for the M17, here in 12-18 weeks.
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Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

 10-4..... would like to put a shield on it if possible being that's the one everyone here recommend right now.... but finding a plate for that my be an issues.   Found it for the sig romeo.....

 


The standard width Shield RMS has the same mounting dimensions as a Leupold Deltapoint, so a plate that works with the Deltapoint will also work with the Shield RMS.
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Toying with the idea of getting a full size P320 X grip module, cutting out the opening for the M17's safety, and dropping the M17 FCU and slide group in the X grip module. I swapped some parts around between a M17 and an X5 to see if it is feasible, and it is.
I really liked the flat trigger in the M17 grip module. Waiting on Grey Guns to put out some trigger kits.
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 midway had some flat trigger kits for the 320 last time I checked.... so did sig directly. 
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

 10-4..... would like to put a shield on it if possible being that's the one everyone here recommend right now.... but finding a plate for that my be an issues.   Found it for the sig romeo.....

 


The standard width Shield RMS has the same mounting dimensions as a Leupold Deltapoint, so a plate that works with the Deltapoint will also work with the Shield RMS.

 

Thanks if the Romeo doesn't fill the expectations I'll pick up the Shield and a deltapoint plate.... found one for it.

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 Got a bit of time Sunday to fire 2 mags through the X five Sunday.   Follow up shots are scary fast and accurate.  Trigger is not as nice as the x carry but figure with use it will smooth out like the x carry did.  Can't wait to see what it handles like with the Romeo on it.... should be loads of fun.   Did run a mag through the carry as well just to keep muscle member fresh from holster to target.... gosh I love that gun..... I own 2 glocks now... both were gifts and can't sell them..... both have been cleaned and put up for indefinite storage most likely.
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 Looks like SWFA has some in stock for those looking for the M17 -

https://swfa.com/sig-sauer-p320-m17-full-size-manual-safety-9mm-4-7.html

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 well got my X5 set up close to what I think i'll like, no trigger time after mounting Romeo1 but hope to this weekend.

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Nice looking setup G.
Since I'll be using a Rock Island 1911A2 to compete with this year, I'll be modifying the X5 and M17 for competition and carry. Lots of ideas for both.
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the TLR may end up on the X carry if I can find a good holster for the match and use for carry

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I use a Red Hill Tactical for competition.

https://www.redhilltactical.com/Sig-Parts-and-Holsters_c_1.html
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I see Comp Tac no longer list a holster for the P320 series, which is odd. I know a guy who uses a Comp Tac for his X5 and P320.

Blade Tech doesn't list a holster for the X5 or the M17, and I know the full size P320 holster doesn't fit either one.
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 I'm finding the X carry doesn't fit all 320 carry holsters. found a few though.
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G, nice looking set up! Just put a "Little" reflex type sight on my Benelli (Burris Fastfire III, 3MOA Dot) with a SpeedBead.

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Let me know on the red dot, that would be simplest for me, probably.

Or I need to find a plate for an RMS
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As a shooter, I hate Glocks. As an armorer, I love Glocks.
As a shooter, I like the Sig P320 series. As an armorer, I hate the Sig P320 series.
The Sig fire control unit (FCU) is difficult to disassemble and reassemble and needs several tools, 2 right hands, and 2 left hands with 20 fingers. The Glock only needs 1 tool; 3 if your changing the magazine release, and I can get by with 8 fingers.
A few months ago I installed a Grey Guns trigger kit in a X5. It took me 2 hours. It was a big improvement in the trigger, and I'm glad I did it, but I could have done 4 Glocks in the same amount of time, and had lunch too.
I tried to install the same Grey Guns kit in a Sig M17 with the manual safety last night. After 3 and a half hours, I finally got it back together, and it didn't work. By the way, Grey Guns says the kit will work in the M17.
I don't know how the U.S. Army expects to train armorers to support the M17, especially compared to the Glock's ease of support.
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I still like the Sigs, and still hate the Glocks. And I pay someone else with more proficiency and knowledge to work on my guns - so the issues you outline are my smith's issues, not mine.

My Milt Sparks should be here shortly. I have high hopes.
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I have disassembled mine for cleaning but never had any issues.  but I never fully disassemble the FCU either... just spray it out and oil it.... basic cleaning isn't that hard on it and i'd bet most folks would never disassemble to the point you did BF..... Yes Glocks are easy and a youtuber can become an armor for glock quick.... but sometimes I think its best if not everyone can tinker with FCU's in anything....

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