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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Let me know on the red dot, that would be simplest for me, probably.

Or I need to find a plate for an RMS
 
The romeo is still holding up will.   The only complaint I have is turning it on.... takes to much time but it does have a rear cut out that acts as a rear sight built in so I do have the ability to grab and aim but not with the red dot on...... I'm tempted to leave it on and see how long battery last but just haven't yet.  I think  you'd like it.
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Originally posted by BeltFed BeltFed wrote:

Hey RC, do you have a holster for your M17 yet, and what did you get if you do?


Milt Sparks Executive just arrived, and I do love their work.

M17 in a Milt Sparks.

And it hugs close enough to maybe work under lighter clothing, just like my other beloved Executive does.

I highly, highly recommend.
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I really like the Nexus with magnetic closures. 

If you can treat yourself to a 55BN belt holster sometime, it is an old Bruce Nelson design and an exceptionally fast holster, I have one for 1911.   I had one Bruce Nelson made for 92F/M9 that I gave one of my friends who was a Combat Engineer when he went to Iraq.


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They are among my favorite makers. I have holsters from probably 15 makers, and always come back to Milt Sparks for the stuff that will be worn often and needs to be trusted.

As for the M17 and the 365, I am exceedingly pleased. The Glocks are officially out of the rotation.
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I'm eagerly awaiting the arrival of the manual safety version of the P365.
I've also given up on the Blade Tech holsters for carry since trying an off brand of leather holster for the P320. I'll be checking out several brands of leather holsters.
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want a leather hip holster for your P320 from Tucker Gun Leather BF?  I can send it to you for a while to use and if you like we can work out something.  Doesn't fit my X-Carry frame well. Made  for regular 320
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Well thanks a lot to all you enablers.  I jumped on the band wagon on my lunch break and bought a p365.  They had a sale for $480 at a local store.  So I gave in finally. 
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Shoot it and tell us what you think.

I am still watching for gen3 failures due to striker failure. It is indeed troubling that they are on gen3 already, but I think the worst bugs are worked out.

Famous last words, maybe.
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I’m seriously considering buying a Gen 5...
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Gen 5.  Which gen are they on?
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waiting for a safety has me thinking....... of waiting......  but is carrying one with a safety really that smart?  both my other 'carry' pieces have safeties... and it is what I'm used to.... but is that something you want to remember to do in a crisis?    my muscle memory.... little of what I have, might look for the safety.
 
on my shotguns, I always hunt with it on safe.... with my right finger on it...  and when a bird flushes or presents a shot... I never "think" about the safety.   I flip it off and back on again without 'thinking' about it.
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This is not a gun that gets taken from you.

On safety vs no, it is a training thing, but if you sweep for a safety and it isn't there, memory takes over - or it does for me.
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I trained for years on a 1911. So i still sweep the safety on all my autos. Just habit. 

There is the debate for having a safety that it may save your life if someone else gets your gun.
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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Gen 5.  Which gen are they on?

Just being facetious brother. A commentary on Sig’s recent tendency to let their customers be their beta testers, quietly revising their products on the fly, all the while denying anything needs fixing.
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Safeties have advantages and disadvantages.  We will remember to use them...but will other members of your household?  

Home invaders in our town usually get shot by the homeowners.  In one tragic exception, however, a homeowner was assaulted.  His wife got their pistol. but was unable to make it fire (apparently unfamiliar with the safety).  Her husband was killed. while she stood there helpless with a gun that she could't make work!

I'm not a big believer in safeties that require a positive act other than pulling the trigger:  
1.  They are mechanical, and mechanical things fail.
2.  They are one more thing that can go wrong when seconds count and your life is at stake.
To paraphrase Bill Jordan, if somebody wants to fiddle with two safeties while I'm shooting, that means "God loves me best".
3.  Your stressed out wife or child may not remember the safeties when you are fighting for your life with a home invader.

I truly admire the Gold Cups and current 1911 models I have handled.  I do not own or carry one, however.  The reason... because I fail to  depress the grip safety enough to release it at least one out of every 5 to 10 shots when drawn in a hurry.  My failure, perhaps, but I consider it a life-threatening problem.  There is also reason (3) above.

The first and best safety is always in your head and in your gun handling practices.  
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I carried a 1911 for awhile with a rubber band around the grip safety, allowing me to use it with either hand, injured or otherwise, and with a very quick grasp. At that time, life was first, safety was a distant 3rd or 4th.

But I get your point.

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I joined the ranks of the P365!  its smaller than my Shield...  we'll see how I like it Saturday.  weather is total sh*t here today and I picked up a shift tomorrow.
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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:


I joined the ranks of the P365!  its smaller than my Shield...  we'll see how I like it Saturday.  weather is total sh*t here today and I picked up a shift tomorrow.



Weak, very weak. In terrible weather, with other things on your mind, that is exactly when you most need to know how it functions.

Weak, weak sauce.

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I've been shooting in the rain and wind for weeks and weeks... won't be able to shoot if the sun shines.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:


I joined the ranks of the P365!  its smaller than my Shield...  we'll see how I like it Saturday.  weather is total sh*t here today and I picked up a shift tomorrow.



Weak, very weak. In terrible weather, with other things on your mind, that is exactly when you most need to know how it functions.

Weak, weak sauce.

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hmmmmm... never thought of it that way.  I will keep that in mind.
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At KPDL we shoot regardless of weather. The only things that stop us is floods and extreme mud left over from a flood. The kind of mud that will suck combat boots off your feet or grab your legs like giant fly paper.
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Just put 200 rounds through the p365.  Not bad for a small pistol.  I am not a huge fan of small pistols, but I can say it is one of the best ones I have used.  It points well, recoils well, I can just barely get my whole hand on the grip with the extended mag, which is good.  The sights are good.  It was 100% reliable with my reloads.

The trigger is ok.  Decent for a striker fired pistol, but nothing amazing IMO.  The reset is nice with a noticeable click. 

The primer drag was not really that bad on mine.  On some of them it was not even noticeable.  I had none that I saw that drug clear out onto the case head as I have seen pics on the net.  Most of them were very slight dragging just enough to make the dimple look squarish instead of round.

It seemed to be quite accurate.  I as able to hold hand sized groups out to 20 yards with it.  I think it will make a good carry gun when I want something small.     

I will run another 300+ through it then 100 or so of the ammo I use for carry and move it into the rotation if all goes well. 
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Primer swipe with my G43 was much more pronounced.

The sights are a bit more radiused in the rear than I like, but that is a minor gripe.

Agree on trigger, but orders of magnitude better than the glock stock.
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Glock ROCKS...
I've done a little work on all my Glocks, insignificant cost and still less expensive than the SIGs... Never had a failure
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