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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:19
Can a mod go ahead and move this to the anything goes section???? its obviously not valuable to passerbyers that may read it nowBucky
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:20

Rich, I will not sugar coat my opinion and if you find fault in it oh well. I doubt one person who has commented on your threads truely thinks your opinon on these scopes are valid or that you know what the hell your talking about.  Your friends may agree with you on your reviews but that just tells us your friends are ignorant or easily swayed by your opinion cause there is no way in hell that what your saying would apply to anyone with their eyes open looking through those scopes in question.   You've just joined this forum and have no creditials that we know of.  Given this reviews and your other info has been found to be highly incorrect and basically invalid,  take a step back and accept the fact that you are giving us an opinion and we are getting an opinion from someone who is basically unqualified.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:21
Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

You should check out Counter Snipers.  I hear they are the cats meowsBucky
 

 
Today while at work a fellow told me about US Optics.  When I finish having so much fun here, I plan to check out the one you are refering to me and the other also.
Do a review on an USO against a Counter Sniper. Could be an interesting review.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:22
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

The first flag has been flapping so hard its frayed so bad I will put up another one BS Flag
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:22
Originally posted by BoDaggitt BoDaggitt wrote:

The real funny part here is here we have a guy that would really benefit from the added optical quality of the Swaro scopes for low light use.  Yet he sells them for a cheaper scope that does not work as well for low light because they look the same during the day.  Laugh


  
 
I think you don't have the big picture.  I returned the Z5 today and called Swarovski.  I asked if they have something that he actually looked through and is noticably better than the Z5 5-25 and with a similar or better field of view on the bottom end.  He told me the Z6 5-30X is definatley a step up.  Therefore I will order one and give it a try. 
 
When I told him about my comparison he was not surprised that the Bushnell 6500 stayed with it during a daylight test.  He also was not surprised when I told him the NightForce beat both of them.
 
You see the idea that we get what we pay for doesn't always work.  The Z5 is about a grand more than the 6500.  I need at least $500 more performance before I am going to keep something like that.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:22
Braille  ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:23
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

it is obvious all your doing is having fun posting BS here.

And what are you posting?  I mean how many tests have you conducted alone or with friends?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:24

DO we really need to compare numbers Rich?  Really?  let it go!  WE and i say that collectively  Do no value your reviews in the least.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:25
Originally posted by BoDaggitt BoDaggitt wrote:

Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

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Let's see now.  I compared a 4-12X Swaro with a Leupold 3 1/2 -14X with a 3-15X Sightron II on the same evening outside the store after sunset.  All on the same occation.
 
The a couple years later with the Sightron II, which had been compared side by side with a 4-12X Swarovski, I compared it with several which are listed in the original post.


So I am guessing these scopes were not even mounted on guns?   
 
Correct.  I was going to purchase a new scope.  I walked out with the Sightron II 3-15X.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:26
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

DO we really need to compare numbers Rich?  Really?  let it go!  WE and i say that collectively  Do no value your reviews in the least.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:28
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

DO we really need to compare numbers Rich?  Really?  let it go!  WE and i say that collectively  Do no value your reviews in the least.

 
I am not keepingup with what you are trying to say.  What numbers are you talking about comparing? 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:31
nothing.   don't worry bout it.... 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:31
You ever heard of the law of diminshing returns.  Of course a $1500 scope is not going to show the same amount of difference when comparing a $50, vs a $500.  YOu will see a huge difference between the $500 and $50 scope.  But you may only see a 5% to 10% difference between the $500 and the $1500.  That is just the way it always works, with everything.  Same with a rifle.  Is it really necessary to pay an extra $200 to have an action blueprinted?  It will only improve the rifles capable accuracy by a very tiny amount. 

But for some people those things are worth it.  For others it is not.  But to come here and try to peddle to a bunch of people that a Tasco or Sightron or a 4200 or a 6500 is as good as a Swaro is pure BS.  Sure they will get the job done and to some that is all the money they want to spend.   And yes some of them are very decent scopes.  We have all been through this and we know why some scopes cost more.  They are in fact just flat out better.  Are they necessary?  Course not, but in some situations they make a world of difference.   

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:34
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

nothing.   don't worry bout it.... 
it aint even worth it Bro.... the rest of us know all we need to know anyway.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 16:34
This is a lost cause and no Tasco is not better than the Swarovski, the 6500, Bushnell 4200, Leupold VX-III, or a SII for that matter. Any four guys who can come to that conclusion is just frankly insane. I would love to see a review done by you over the Counter Sniper VS. the USO, Premier Heritage, or Hensoldt. Mods can we lock this thread? It is now terminally useless!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 18:08
Just for the record, Sightron's SII 3-15x42 scope has been out of production for a few years now.  I owned one for a while, so I am pretty well familiar with it.  Its 5x erector ratio was ahead of its time, but the execution was not flawless.  The scope has a fair amount of tunnel vision and optical performance at low and high magnification was not especially good.  That made for a slow-selling scope, hence it was discontinued.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 18:25
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Just for the record, Sightron's SII 3-15x42 scope has been out of production for a few years now.  I owned one for a while, so I am pretty well familiar with it.  Its 5x erector ratio was ahead of its time, but the execution was not flawless.  The scope has a fair amount of tunnel vision and optical performance at low and high magnification was not especially good.  That made for a slow-selling scope, hence it was discontinued.

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I agree with the tunnel vision.  It is akin to my NightForce with the amount of black between the image and the outside world.  Like you, I owned one for awhile but sold it.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 18:57
Alright.....to summarize, the Sightron isn't made anymore so you have to spend $1500 more on the Swarovski which can't carry the Tasco's jock strap, but if it could it might also have a Bushnell in its hip pocket just in case it was getting dark and you had night tunnel blindness.  But if you really needed something with high performance at night you might buy an old Ferrari or a new Camry as they are essentially the same thing.  Oh and better buy some new shades that reduce the yellow tint in some of the best cheap scopes. 
 
OK seriously, I think what hit home with me more than anything is best summed up this way.......there better be Tasco's a plenty because Walmart, here I come.........Whacko
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 19:56
I think that the only thing this post points out is that someone does not know what to look for when comparing scopes and / or does not know how to adjust the scope properly. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 20:14
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I think that the only thing this post points out is that someone does not know what to look for when comparing scopes and / or does not know how to adjust the scope properly. 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/15/2010 at 21:02
Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I think that the only thing this post points out is that someone does not know what to look for when comparing scopes and / or does not know how to adjust the scope properly. 
 
Finally some one gets it right.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 07:57
Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

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How can you remember what a scope you looked through seven years ago compares to what you look through today. That swaro has seven year old tech which could possibly be not as good as a lower end scope with todays tech. You need to compare scopes from the same model year or close to the same model year. That would be like comparing a 1974 ferrari to a 2010 toyota camry or something like that.
 
Let's see now.  I compared a 4-12X Swaro with a Leupold 3 1/2 -14X with a 3-15X Sightron II on the same evening outside the store after sunset.  All on the same occation.
 
The a couple years later with the Sightron II, which had been compared side by side with a 4-12X Swarovski, I compared it with several which are listed in the original post.
 
So to keep up with your analogy we would then compare a '66 Mustang with a '66 Camaro.  I purchase the mustang andkeep it in perfect condidtion in every way.  A couple years later I compare it with an AMX, which has also been kept in perfect condion and prefer the AMX and I tell the owner, "Your AMX is better than the Camaro I compared my Mustang with."
Now your changing the timeline. First its seven years then its a couple.
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