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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 09:00

I believe you had no intentions of ever purchasing the Swarovski (maybe out of your price range)

 
 
If you did I believe you would have considered other scopes in that price range such as the Zeiss or S&B.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 17:14
Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I think that the only thing this post points out is that someone does not know what to look for when comparing scopes and / or does not know how to adjust the scope properly. 
 
Finally some one gets it right.
 
There are folks here who probably have not compared anything with anything.  They take someone else's word for it and that settles it for them.  Facts don't matter.
 
Someone mentioned the orginal poster suffers from night blindness.   They beleive that?  Why?  Why does someone here believe the Swarovski Z5 5-25X52 is superior to the Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 if the only place they ever read about it was here?
 
There is a boat load of inconsistant folks here.  I guess that's one thing that makes the 'net so much fun.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 17:32
Now you are talking like you are some third party.  You are the one making these claims.  I am beginning to wonder if you have multiple personalities as well.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 17:57
Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I think that the only thing this post points out is that someone does not know what to look for when comparing scopes and / or does not know how to adjust the scope properly. 
 
Finally some one gets it right.
 
There are folks here who probably have not compared anything with anything.  They take someone else's word for it and that settles it for them.  Facts don't matter.
 
Someone mentioned the orginal poster suffers from night blindness.   They beleive that?  Why?  Why does someone here believe the Swarovski Z5 5-25X52 is superior to the Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 if the only place they ever read about it was here?
 
There is a boat load of inconsistant folks here.  I guess that's one thing that makes the 'net so much fun.


Why do we believe you have night blindness? Well since you stated you do and since you more than likely were told that by an ophthalmologist. You probably do. Or are you saying now that you do not have night blindness?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 18:17
  Hold on! 
 
 
  Ok,I'm ready.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 18:27
Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

  There are folks here who probably have not compared anything with anything.  They take someone else's word for it and that settles it for them.  Facts don't matter.
 
Someone mentioned the orginal poster suffers from night blindness.   They beleive that?  Why?  Why does someone here believe the Swarovski Z5 5-25X52 is superior to the Bushnell 6500 4 1/2-30X50 if the only place they ever read about it was here?
 
There is a boat load of inconsistant folks here.  I guess that's one thing that makes the 'net so much fun.
 
Mr. Coyle. What the heck are you talking about here ?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 18:31
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

  Hold on! 
 
Ok,I'm ready.
 
 
I'm thinking rule #9 should read something to the effect of posting while drinking (heavily) or being overly medicated ............should refrain from posting...


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 18:33
Inconsistent? .... I think we have all been pretty consistent. go back and count how many of us agree with you...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 18:51
Originally posted by Phoenix356 Phoenix356 wrote:

I believe you had no intentions of ever purchasing the Swarovski (maybe out of your price range)

 
 
If you did I believe you would have considered other scopes in that price range such as the Zeiss or S&B.
 
 
 
What you or I believe does not establish facts.  It boils down to research research by comparison. 
 
It's not the money.  I did consider others and will.  You see my kids are gone.  My grandkids moved out.  My car and pick up are paid off.  My credit card is paid off.  I am still looking for something in that weight catogory.   I called Burris and didn't get through.  I called Leupold and the guy couldn't help.  I called Bushnell on the chance they have something new.  They do, but it is a 6-18X and the field of view is too small.  I don't have the number for the places you suggest.  I called Swarovski this very day and asked about the Z6.  The Customer service fellow told me the only difference optically between the Z5 and the Z6 is the edges are a little sharper in the Z6.  They have a 5-30X50 but it is too heavy.
 
If you know of a 17 1/2 ounce scope or less weight, with a top end of about 20X and about 22 feet or more on the bottom end, please let me know.  I have looked at several on the 'net but they are too heavy for the .25 Gibbs I have in mind.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 18:52
Originally posted by tman1965 tman1965 wrote:

Inconsistent? .... I think we have all been pretty consistent. go back and count how many of us agree with you...
 
You have not been consistant. Whether you agree with me or not is not the inconsistant issue.  You folks have accepted only what you want to accept and rejected other info by the same poster.  That, my .com friend, is inconsistant.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 20:22
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 20:53
Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

 
If you know of a 17 1/2 ounce scope or less weight, with a top end of about 20X and about 22 feet or more on the bottom end, please let me know.  I have looked at several on the 'net but they are too heavy for the .25 Gibbs I have in mind.


If this is what you were looking for why did you compare the scopes you did?? Like the NF 12-42
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 20:59
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

 
If you know of a 17 1/2 ounce scope or less weight, with a top end of about 20X and about 22 feet or more on the bottom end, please let me know.  I have looked at several on the 'net but they are too heavy for the .25 Gibbs I have in mind.


If this is what you were looking for why did you compare the scopes you did?? Like the NF 12-42
I think I already addressed this.  But just in case I didn't I will tell you here:  The NightForce was included at the last minute for a little varity.  I certainly don't want to pay more for a scope than the NightForce which is not as good optically as the NightForce.  Would you?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 21:07
I use an 8x32 NF quite a bit, as well as a bunch of others including a 2.5x12x50 Swaro. On 12 power with both scopes the swaro is without a doubt better and I'm not even a glass whore like some others. I also use a 6.5x24 Zeiss diavari and on 12 it beats both of them. Perhaps you should look through one of those.   On 12x the Ior,uso, and S&B I use also look good, but by this time I've got a headache.  So -- Whats your point? I have also been in a gun store on several occasions when a customer has proclaimed ,"This Tasco is brighter than that Zeiss ( or something else)". Of course everyone stops what they are doing to see if the guy has shoes on or not. Not insinuating anything there, but don't think there is some differences in tracking, durability, overall ease of use?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 21:33
Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

I use an 8x32 NF quite a bit, as well as a bunch of others including a 2.5x12x50 Swaro. On 12 power with both scopes the swaro is without a doubt better and I'm not even a glass whore like some others. I also use a 6.5x24 Zeiss diavari and on 12 it beats both of them. Perhaps you should look through one of those.   On 12x the Ior,uso, and S&B I use also look good, but by this time I've got a headache.  So -- Whats your point? I have also been in a gun store on several occasions when a customer has proclaimed ,"This Tasco is brighter than that Zeiss ( or something else)". Of course everyone stops what they are doing to see if the guy has shoes on or not. Not insinuating anything there, but don't think there is some differences in tracking, durability, overall ease of use?
 
The point:  I do these comparisons for fun.  I thought others would find them interesting.
 
What's your point with this post?  Do you have a light weight scope with a top end about 20X and a field of view of about twenty-two or twenty-three feet on the lower end?
 
What do you think about the statement by the gunsmith after he took all the time he wanted and adjusted them in any manner he wanted?  He compared all three, the Bushnell 4 1/2-30X50 , Swarovski 5-25X52 and the 12-42X56 NightForce, "This is the finest scope I have ever handled."
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 21:41
So now a gunsmith has been added to the mix?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 21:44
Originally posted by Rich Coyle Rich Coyle wrote:

Originally posted by Dale Clifford Dale Clifford wrote:

I use an 8x32 NF quite a bit, as well as a bunch of others including a 2.5x12x50 Swaro. On 12 power with both scopes the swaro is without a doubt better and I'm not even a glass whore like some others. I also use a 6.5x24 Zeiss diavari and on 12 it beats both of them. Perhaps you should look through one of those.   On 12x the Ior,uso, and S&B I use also look good, but by this time I've got a headache.  So -- Whats your point? I have also been in a gun store on several occasions when a customer has proclaimed ,"This Tasco is brighter than that Zeiss ( or something else)". Of course everyone stops what they are doing to see if the guy has shoes on or not. Not insinuating anything there, but don't think there is some differences in tracking, durability, overall ease of use?
 
The point:  I do these comparisons for fun.  I thought others would find them interesting.
 
What's your point with this post?  Do you have a light weight scope with a top end about 20X and a field of view of about twenty-two or twenty-three feet on the lower end?
 
What do you think about the statement by the gunsmith after he took all the time he wanted and adjusted them in any manner he wanted?  He compared all three, the Bushnell 4 1/2-30X50 , Swarovski 5-25X52 and the 12-42X56 NightForce, "This is the finest scope I have ever handled."
 
 

I have no idea who your gunsmith is, but I would assume he knows what he is doing.  Still, I suspect he knows a lot about guns, but I am not sure whether this qualifies him to know anything about scopes.  His opinion certainly carries some weight.  The same weight as anyone else looking through a couple of scopes.  But no more than that.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/16/2010 at 22:09
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

So now a gunsmith has been added to the mix?
 
You missed that little did bit.  Actually there were two.  I mentioned them recent in a posting ortwo.  One looked through the three scopes and declared he could see no difference.  This was about noon with overcast skys.
 
After work I took them to a different 'smith.  He, after several minutes, of consideration answered my question, "Is the Swarovski better than the bushnell?" with a hesitating "Yes."  He thoroughly enjoyed comparing the scopes.  I had to remind him he has a shop and business to take care of.
 
Like koshkin says though, their views are no more weighty than his or mine or yours.  It is just another opinion or two. 
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