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All the talk of having a pistol back-up, is kind of entertaining... A 308 out to 600 yards is going to have more energy and penetration than a 44 magnum, and it should already be in your hands! Black bears are routinely killed with bows, hell there are even idiots that go after grizzly's with a stick and a string. If you hit an animal in the heart or lungs with anything it will die.  
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Hunting one with a bow would be fun.  I'm sure any of the 30 cal rifles or larger would be plenty.  If I was going hunting today I would  take my tikka 300 WSM cause thats the only caliber I have in a tikka and its light and easy to carry and plenty accurate.  It has a Zeiss Conquest 4.5-14 on it so probably higher on the low end than ideal but useable.  Now if someone wanted to buy me a rifle and a scope I did see a .375 H&H I wouldn't mind having and stumbled across this lovely piece of glass just now:
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Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:

All the talk of having a pistol back-up, is kind of entertaining... A 308 out to 600 yards is going to have more energy and penetration than a 44 magnum, and it should already be in your hands! Black bears are routinely killed with bows, hell there are even idiots that go after grizzly's with a stick and a string. If you hit an animal in the heart or lungs with anything it will die.  

What I meant was that I carry the backup when I'm bowhunting.  That's what Dad was doing when he was attacked.  Can't really explain away a .308 on your back when you just have a bow tag for an elk or mulie.  THAT's why I carry a .41 Mag backup while bowhunting - because it's all you CAN carry, and even then most states require you to be licensed to carry concealed to do it.
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Originally posted by DCAMM94 DCAMM94 wrote:

Originally posted by billyburl2 billyburl2 wrote:


All the talk of having a pistol back-up, is kind of entertaining... A 308 out to 600 yards is going to have more energy and penetration than a 44 magnum, and it should already be in your hands! Black bears are routinely killed with bows, hell there are even idiots that go after grizzly's with a stick and a string. If you hit an animal in the heart or lungs with anything it will die.  


<span style="line-height: 16.8px;">What I meant was that I carry the backup when I'm bowhunting.  That's what Dad was doing when he was attacked.  Can't really explain away a .308 on your back when you just have a bow tag for an elk or mulie.  THAT's why I carry a .41 Mag backup while bowhunting - because it's all you CAN carry, and even then most states require you to be licensed to carry concealed to do it.</span>


Deck, when bow hunting in NY no handguns are allowed. Doesn't matter what you are hunting.
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Not surprised.  In TX, you have to be licensed to carry concealed to have one.
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Utah as well
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Same in NY, I've had a CC for over 50 years.

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There are a lot of black bear in our deer hunting area of Ontario.  Most average between 300-400 lbs, and big guys may weigh 500+ but they are definitely the exception.  Virtually all are taken with deer caliber rifles (mainly 30 cal, 30-30, 300 Savage, 308, 30.06 etc).  No pistols are permitted for hunting.  The last bear I shot was with my 44mag Ruger carbine with peep sights using 300 grain Hornadys. A typical boar at about 350 lbs.  Never felt under gunned, just behind the shoulder at about 30 yds.  You don't need a cannon for black bear or a huge scope.  Do your part, practice a lot before taking to the field using a rifle with adequate power (lots of choice and advice here) that you can easily master and learn the habits of the bruins in the area you plan to hunt. 
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Originally posted by Dogger Dogger wrote:


There are a lot of black bear in our deer hunting area of Ontario.  Most average between 300-400 lbs, and big guys may weigh 500+ but they are definitely the exception.  Virtually all are taken with deer caliber rifles (mainly 30 cal, 30-30, 300 Savage, 308, 30.06 etc).  No pistols are permitted for hunting.  The last bear I shot was with my 44mag Ruger carbine with peep sights using 300 grain Hornadys. A typical boar at about 350 lbs.  Never felt under gunned, just behind the shoulder at about 30 yds.  You don't need a cannon for black bear or a huge scope.  Do your part, practice a lot before taking to the field using a rifle with adequate power (lots of choice and advice here) that you can easily master and learn the habits of the bruins in the area you plan to hunt. 


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put a couple holes on its chest and you are all good
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Originally posted by erinis0112 erinis0112 wrote:

put a couple holes on its chest and you are all good

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A hunting buddy that runs slower then you can is also effective against bear attacks.
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Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

A hunting buddy that runs slower then you can is also effective against bear attacks.


a hunting buddy that will help take the bear's attention of you could also work.
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Since I haven't hunted bears I can only speak from the perspective of being prepared to defend myself during a grizzly encounter. For that, I carry bear spray in an accessible spot on my pack. To me, it's a pretty comfortable backup to a bolt-action .308 with a 3-15 scope that, by default, is set to 3X.

If I was actively hunting black bear I'd prefer a semi-auto .308 AR with a 1-4 or 1-6 scope (awesome cheek weld with low rings on the SS models I've mounted). I'd take the semi-auto over a larger caliber bolt-action. 

While you can never take any animal's reaction for granted, I've seen black bears within 50 yards 1-2 times a year for 30+ years and have never had one not flee, except for one sitting on the banks of the Smith River one morning as we floated by. Generally, they seem shy. But then there are the ones that get into stuff. My friend showed me what a black bear did to a metal garbage can he had bird seed in. That bite would HURT.
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Originally posted by erinis0112 erinis0112 wrote:

Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

A hunting buddy that runs slower then you can is also effective against bear attacks.


a hunting buddy that will help take the bear's attention of you could also work.

Hey, "Clyde," where will you be hunting black bear?

I'm thinking they'll be rather scarce there in Nigeria.
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by erinis0112 erinis0112 wrote:

put a couple holes on its chest and you are all good

Where are you in Texas?  SWFA is in the DFW area... you should pay them a visit. 



No, not anymore, he or she recently moved to Iowa.
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...by way of Nigeria.
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Very entertaining threadExcellent but here is the question:
Did erinis0112 get his bear?
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Originally posted by nralifer nralifer wrote:

Very entertaining threadExcellent but here is the question:
Did erinis0112 get his bear?
Only if bears packed up and moved to Nigeria...
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