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    Posted: January/30/2007 at 09:06

hey there looking for info on coatings,  seen alot on the web, from not worth it to it will destroy your barrel or it is great...

 

i shootds 95g ballistic silvertip and 165g failsafe both from win.  the 95g has lublox and the failsafe has molybulim.  heard the lublox is fine but the molybulim will etch the barrel by traping moisture between it and the barrel and once the barrel has been coated it will not shoot copper jacketed bullet accurate anymore?.  so what is yalls opion?  or im i just idoit?  should i stick with an copper jacketed bullets.  the 95gs shoot damn well in my .243 rem. auto. , the failsafes shoot good too in my savage 110 '06.  any info would be great....thanks

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i dont know much about moly coated bullets i always thought that the moly coating was suppose to extend the life of the barrel,if what your saying is true then i am glad i never have used moly coated bullets. i would stick with whats working for you until you notcie the accuracy starting to fall.
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I have very little experience with coated bullets.  My family tried them in the Barnes X bullet (I don't know what their blue coating is) and also in the Nosler FailSafe bullets (I also don't know what their grey coating is made from.)  We did not like them.  They did not appear to increase performance (velocity) over non-coated bullets and they also did not offer any noticeable difference in the amount, frequency of cleaning required as compared to other non-coated bullets.

 

The blue coating on the Barnes bullets also always scraped off of the back of the bullet during seating, creating an unwelcome mess. 

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Originally posted by lucznik lucznik wrote:

The blue coating on the Barnes bullets also always scraped off of the back of the bullet during seating, creating an unwelcome mess. 

 

I called Ty @ Barnes years ago and asked him about the blue stuff on the XLC's.

I thought it may be a moly coat of sorts, but I'm fairly sure he told me it was just a lubricant of sorts.

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i thought it was a moly coating also
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Not according to Ty @ Barnes.

 

I don't care for moly coatings. BUT...I have seen moly coated bullets perform a miracle of "Biblical proportions" on an old Winchester .308 with a shot out barrel.

 

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i have never been one for the moly coatings either i know there are a lot of people who are firm believers in the stuff, but it dont turn my crank at all. keep it simple stupid thats what i think.
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thanks for all the replies. i just found some info on snipercountry, will post if i find anything, later.......

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Snuff, I've heard so many claims and urban legends surrounding moly coatings that I don't know what to believe anymore.  I personally don't use the stuff because I've just not seen any noticeable advantage to it, and it is rather hard to clean moly fouling out of a barrel, but it can be done with a little more work.

 

As for the blue coating on Barnes XLC bullets, Cheaptrick is right, it's just a lubricant.  I also agree with him about the mess it makes during loading.  The blue stuff is scraped off by the case mouth during seating and gets on everything!

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The trick with the blue Barnes is to use a cast bullet neck expander just a bit to get them started and a 20 degree chamfer
tool. Then a Lee crimp die to finish the round. But having tried them in a 22-06, 25-06 and 30-06 I found them a pain in the butt and no better and mostly less accurate than the new TSX.
My unsupported opinion is the Barnes brought them out as a stopgap due to all the bad press the original Xs got. Now that
the TSX is on the scene and shooting as well as anyone's hunting bullets I surmise the coated ones will join the original Xs down memory lane.
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I'd wager you're correct on that, RMS, based on a recent discussion I had with Barnes.  He didn't come right out and say the XLC would be discontinued, but by his responses, I got that impression.  The TSX and it's grooves basically solved the issues with excessive bearing surface and fouling.
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I have a prefrence for non-coated bullets my tightest groups ever have been with non-coated bullets.

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again thanks to all, ya found some info on snipercountry, i belive i will be going to a jacketed bullet.

link-http://www.snipercountry.com/ammo.htm

found a few other odds and ends, unless you got the money for buying a new barrel here and there it seems it is not worth it.

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Hello,

 

I have toyed with some moly 308s and 338s.  I'm neither a fan, nor an opponent of moly coatings, but I was at the range the other day shooting some Lapua silver jacket Scenars and some SMKs in the 338 lap and I noticed that everything else being equal but for the tips, the Laps were about 40 fps faster.  Could be the different tips themselves, but they are both similar VLDs, so maybe the coating is responsible?

 

I buy a lot of tips off of Ebay and on sale and if for some reason, I get a good deal on a box or two of molys, I'll snatch them up.  I don't fire hundreds of rounds through my rifles at a sitting, so dealing with the black 'moly ring' isn't really an issue for me.

 

From those older (decade old) articles on http://www.snipercountry.com/ammo.htm you can see that moly is probably more of a mess/expense than anything else.  When I got Sako 338 LM, I bought some loaded rounds with 300gr SMKs from a fellow shooting an AR-30 at the NRA 1700 yd range in New Mexico.  He molied all his 338 SMKs and would get 10,000 rounds out of his barrel.  He told me to first dry it out with ethanol, as the moly coating can trap moisture between the coating and the barrel steel.  This being said, I'm sure that more barrels get pitted due to neglect than due to moly coatings.  If you've never felt it, it's pretty slick.  However, some barrel makers will tell you that the moly from tips isn't sufficient to do any longterm good, rather the barrel needs a full and thorough coating/lapping to make an appreciable difference.

 

Anyhow, Sierra, Hornady and Lapua all moly some of their top grade target tips without any disclaimers as to barrel damage, so take that with a grain of salt.

 

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My PSS had the barrel molly coated and with the moly coated 168 gr AMAX bullets will shoot 1/2 in at 200 yds. The snipers are using 175gr SMK in a .308 and 190gr SMK in 300 win mag. if they are doing long range work.

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