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    Posted: December/31/2006 at 14:57
Need some scope recomendations for a .25-06.  Will mainly be used for deer hunting and some light coyote/varmint hunting.  Really like the looks of the Elite 4200 3x9x40 and the Monarch in the same configuration.  Anyone have any experience with the Nikon "BDC" reticle?  Any other ideads will be appreciated.
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you cant go wrong either way, both are excellent scopes and i doubt that anyone would talk you out of either
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How about the Leupold with the Boone and Crockett reticle? The Leupolds tend to cost more than the Bushnell and Nikon but this system allows for windage, also. I haven't used either one and have always used standard or heavy plex types and they have worked for me. Some of the other posters that have tried both will hopefully share some information with us.
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The 4200 is a very good scope. Stay away from Leupold=poor quality glass and extremly overpriced. Leupold scopes are priced higher all across thier lines than many much higher performing scopes. I recommend a search through the OT search engine.
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Originally posted by SVD666 SVD666 wrote:

The 4200 is a very good scope. Stay away from Leupold=poor quality glass and extremly overpriced. Leupold scopes are priced higher all across thier lines than many much higher performing scopes. I recommend a search through the OT search engine.

 

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Ok, now I have to disagree here. I would not say that Leupold has "poor quality glass", I think they are over priced for what you get.  Classic examples on both sides of the spectrum is the Leupold Rifleman a perfectly fine scope but for the price I don't think it is in the same class as say a Nikon Buckmaster or a Burris Fullfield / Pentax.

 

Take the new VXIII series very nice glass but for the price I would rather have a Conquest which is usually a bit cheaper or spend a bit more and get a Kahles both of which I think are better scopes.

 

This is just my opinon, but I think that Leupold really needs to think about lowering their prices. On the other hand why should they? So many people out there still believe that it is the only scope out there and therefore people will pay the inflated prices.  However, like I said above I don't think they are a bad scope and anyone using one is still using a great scope, just not so great for the price.

 

On that note, I'd go with the Bushnell 4200 Elite over the Monarch. I think both are very good scopes but my preference is to the 4200



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I am with Acenturian on this one, for the most part.

Leupold VX-II, VX-III and above have perfectly serviceable glass.  They are just overpriced for wat they offer.

Now, Rifleman, VX-I and Euro-30 certainly fall into "poor glass" category from what I've seen.

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go elite 4200 and don't look back - it's a wonderful scope for the money.

 

 

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I'd vote for the Conquest for a .25-06.  The 3-9X40 is a great buy at $399.99.  I think the eye-relief on the Nikon is a little better than the 4200, so it would be my second choice or a Burris Signature Select.  If you were putting this scope on a .243 or smaller, then the 4200 would be my first choice.

 

 

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Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

  If you were putting this scope on a .243 or smaller, then the 4200 would be my first choice.

 

 

 

I have one of these scopes on my 300 WM, and eye relief is not a problem.

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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by Tip69 Tip69 wrote:

  If you were putting this scope on a .243 or smaller, then the 4200 would be my first choice.

 

 

 

I have one of these scopes on my 300 WM, and eye relief is not a problem.

 

+1, I have never found a problem with the eye relief in any 4200. I have shot serveral and 4200's are a great buy within thier price range IMO.

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The only scope brighter than a 4200 is possibly, maybe, couldbe a S&B.
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

The only scope brighter than a 4200 is possibly, maybe, couldbe a S&B.

 

Oh Brother.......

 

Do you have any "scentific testing" to back that statement up, Sir??

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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

The only scope brighter than a 4200 is possibly, maybe, couldbe a S&B.

 

Oh Brother.......

 

Do you have any "scentific testing" to back that statement up, Sir??

     

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Yeah, bend over and I'll give you all the scentific testing you want........

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They do use some kind of scope for that test, you know
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Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Yeah, bend over and I'll give you all the scentific testing you want........

 

I'll take your word for it!!

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Yeah, those target turrets can be painful with that test.
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Roy, I thought you were listening.



Brightness per se is not especially important.  Just about any decent scope is bright enough in scientific terms, i.e. transmits a lot of light.

Now, perceived brightness depends heavily on the resolution of the image, and as much as I like Elite 4200, I can assure you that there are quite a few scopes nestling comfortably between Elite 4200 and S&B in terms of resolution.

I see my previous admonitions have not been heeded so I will quietly retreat back to the abyss and do some more low light tests.



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Well, if I had to I would prefer a 20mm objective
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Make sure your benchmark is a Leupold, properly focused naturally, because John Barsness says....... blah, blah, blah........eyebox..... blah, blah, blah...... customer serice.......blah, blah, blah....... Outdoor Life says.......... DEVA........

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Yes I'll send the scopes first to E for focusing.  Than to DEVA for some more useless testing.  Won't say anything about Barseness. I like the guy and feel bad that E is always misquoting him.  I'll pay special attention to measuring various mythical qualities of scopes too.

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ILya, don't forget, disregard all instructions in owners manuals regarding reticle focusing, especially on partially cloudy semi-moon lit nights.
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