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    Posted: August/16/2011 at 12:21
So I stumbled upon the "Outdoor Channel", a new addition to my cable lineup.  

**First, I should note that this is NOT a product review or based on first-hand experience with said product!

On the show, "Best of the West", they had a "product review" of the Huskemaw optics scope with their custom BDC knob and their 8 MOA windage reticle.

They took about 2 minutes to explain how the reticle and turret work, no math, no complicated formulas.  Where I have a problem is what they said after the explanation:

"With the Huskemaw system, any hunter can dial in and accurately take a 714 yard shot, with no math, no calculations, just dial in and shoot. Easy."

Check your fire!

If your rifle is capable of a 700 yard shot, if you ammo is capable of a 700 yard shot, if your breathing control is capable of a 700 yard shot, if your trigger control is capable of a 700 yard shot, if your parallax is set for a 700 yard shot, if you body position is set for a 700 yard shot, if your cheek weld is set properly for a 700 yard shot, if you wind call is accurate for a 700 yard shot, if your range is called correctly for a 700 yrd shot, if your...

Am I being too stupid?  Am I complicating an incredibly simple thing?

Having fired many weapons at many targets, ranging from point-blank to well over 1,000 yards, I can say with some authority that there is no easy 700 yard shot that "any hunter" can take on game.  Hell, I'd go so far as to say most hunters shouldn't attempt anything over about 300 yards.  There is ethical hunting, and there is this drivel.

I have never used a Huskemaw scope, and never will; not because they suck (they might not) but because their marketing is pure garbage.  Any product that attempts to convince Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill that he can take a 700 yard shot on a living animal - and it will be "easy" - is lying.

I have a great 1,000 yard gun, a very accurate laser rangefinder, the best optics  money can buy,  a Kestrel 4500 for wind calls and atmospheric data, a range card for that rifle and that bullet at that altitude,  and a bullet that can hit with authority at 1,000 yards - and I have made more than a few less-than-perfect shots at 700 yards.

I am curious to know if the scope is decent, but am absolutely certain that their marketing is as disingenuous as a Iranian leader promising me they ain't building an atomic bomb.


Edited by Rancid Coolaid - August/16/2011 at 12:21
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


Having fired many weapons at many targets, ranging from point-blank to well over 1,000 yards, I can say with some authority that there is no easy 700 yard shot that "any hunter" can take on game.  Hell, I'd go so far as to say most hunters shouldn't attempt anything over about 300 yards.  There is ethical hunting, and there is this drivel.

 Any product that attempts to convince Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill that he can take a 700 yard shot on a living animal - and it will be "easy" - is lying.

 
I saw this many years ago before the latest in firearms and optics appeared; too many 100 yd hunters with 400 yd guns. Some of those I've seen at the club shouldn't even shoot at a deer over 40 yds.
The ethics of long range big game hunting comes up around here a bit. I have no problem with the small minority that are qualified to do it. Pushing a product convincing the unkowing that they can make these shots is just as much an ethics issue. I sense your anger too, RC.
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Originally posted by Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill wrote:

What are you trying to say about me?
 
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Originally posted by Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill wrote:

What are you trying to say about me?

Welcome to the OT, I hear you couldn't hit sand if you fell off a camel.


An anecdote (excuse me if I have posted this previously):


I hunt with a precision long-range gun.  Strangely, many of my hunting buddies shoot 257 Wby and laugh at my piddly 308 or 300WM.  On more than one occasion, their 257-hit animal has run and my 308-hit animal had dropped on the spot - leading a few newbies to say, "damn, what are you shooting?"

On one hunt last year with 2 friends, one who hunts allot, one who doesn't own a rifle and hunts sparingly, we were in a box before sunrise.  This was a managed land hunt and we were gunning for does and hogs.  Friend 1 (the hunter), using a rifle I built and sold him (literally a 0.25MOA gun out to 600 yards) took the first doe at about 100 yards: bang-flop.
Friend 2 (who borrowed a 270 from me, dropped it while getting in the box, then decided to use Friend 1's 308) had a shot on a doe.  He had a nice supported position in the blind but decided to take the shot (with the 15-pound gun) offhand.  Have I mentioned this is the most accurate 308 I have owned/used?  Topped with a Zeiss Victory FL 6-24, he took the shot at about 40 yards, went for a head-shot, and almost blew the jaw completely off the doe.  She was as confused as were we, and she went down to a second shot a few seconds later.

All that to say this: first rate rifle, my best hand loads, best glass money can buy, simple shot, inexperienced hunter = fail.

For Huskemaw to tell ANYONE a 700 yard shot is easy is an affront to skilled marksman and is a great way to guarantee many animals will die a prolonged and painful death.

Lastly, my favorite 300WM has posted 2.5-inch groups at 600 yards, and I don't take head shots with it.  Why risk it?

Some hunt long range (as did I, in my youth), and that is their decision.  For a company to encourage EVERYONE (who can afford their scope) to do likewise is wrong, no way around it.
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I used to be interested in that concept until I started trying to shoot out past 600 yards and learned more about all those things you mentioned, plus wind. The only reason I do it now is to make the shots at half that distance or less easier. I hunt with a .308 so 300 yards is the limit for elk, maybe 350 to 400 for deer and really haven't had a reason to take a shot that far on either for all the time I've been hunting. I could see shooting a pronghorn out to 400-450 if I was dead sure and the conditions were just right. But 600-1000 is for testing yourself against paper or steel with everything you've got. I've found it humbling.

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ok, so a company sponsored a tv show and the host of said tv show made somewhat outrageous claims about said company's optics.

anyone who is naive enough to get the bulk of their hunting education from television shows on the outdoors channel is probably beyond help.

edited to be less inflamatory.


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Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:

ok, so a company sponsored a tv show and the host of said tv show made somewhat outrageous claims about said company's optics.

anyone who is naive enough to get the bulk of their hunting education from television shows on the outdoors channel is probably beyond help.

edited to be less inflamatory.
I don't think Rancids post had anything to do with this. The fact that they don't know better as you mentioned is the starting point. The unforgiveable nature of a company to try and sell this crap, not to mention the animals that will suffer as a result, is what he is fed up with. Ok, maybe if we lived in a world where everyone "knew better" but guess what we don't. Someone will go buy that scope and try and take that shot. At the very least we could hope for he doesn't wound the animal not to mention the countless other things he could accidentally shoot. I sell optics every single day and you would be really surprised how many times I hear "I saw on the outdoor channel" so don't discard it immediately. If they had not said "this 700 yard shot would be easy" would people still try and shoot stuff outside of their experience range? Probably. Now they have added fuel to the fire and encouraged the chaos though. The fact that someone promoting the hunting industry insists on promoting it this way disgusts me. I have had this same conversation about people who bring up Huskemaw and I tell them straight up that this is why we do not carry them. They are unethical and outrageously quick to make a penny for the wrong reasons. I never knock optics companies ever, but I wouldn't give them enough credit to justify them as a company period.
 
Edited to add: If everyone already knew everything they needed to know about hunting and optics without outside information, such as forums, tv shows, magazines, this forum among others wouldn't still exist. When someone googles Huskemaw and this comes up I want to make sure they know if they didn't already what I stated above.


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aren't they the ones who wanted you to prepay back when they first came out?
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aren't they the ones who wanted you to prepay back when they first came out?
I think so, but then again I never paid much attention to them other than pointing people in another direction.
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Well stated RC and CF2! 
(With holding "clappy" emoticon for RC's benefit.)  

I'm more than sure Chris and the gang @ SWFA could tell ya some tales "from the sales counter" that could curl your hair. Some of the junk I've witnessed from fellow shooters at the range or at a gun shop who bought into the marketing hype these days is frightening enough for me. 

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wow, that's utterly ridiculous and hugely irresponsible.
never tried any of their stuff as it just reeks of marketing hype and BS

as my dad says "if it walks like a duck..."


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I couldn't agree with you more RC but just look at the posts on this forum saying help me pick out a new scope , I'll be hunting deer and elk up to 600 yds 700yds (pick a number), or my favorites ,the ones that are constantly picking out the best 180 class buck out of a thicket at 400 yds on the dark of the moon. The internet is full of people that have had their equipment cost them numerous chances at trophy class animals at ridiculous ranges and conditions like it is an everyday occurance. Actually I'm surprised that you haven't had a flame war on your hands from the guys that hunt/shoot like that everyday for posting this blasphemous thread.
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I bet i could use a toilet paper roll tube and do just as well at 700 yards as one of those *cough*countersniper*cough* wannabees!
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That was a well thought out post RC. I routinely practice out to 700 yards, and occasionally 900, and I've not had any of them be "easy". You best have your stuff together when you squeeze the trigger to get good hits. I would not shoot at a game animal at that range, just because I could make a small mistake, and it would equal a big mistake. Like a wounded animal. Congratulations to anyone who can shoot game at 700+ yards, and be absolutely certain to get a clean kill, but I'm guessing that's less than 1% of all hunters. I'm not confident enough to try.

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Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

And, if you order right now, we'll throw in two Sham-Wows completely free of charge! Bull feces. 
How much for just the Sham- Wows?
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Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

And, if you order right now, we'll throw in two Sham-Wows completely free of charge! Bull feces. 
How much for just the Sham- Wows?


yep, I shoot at 750 and 1K about once a month
off a bench, in a controlled, known distance, enviornment

I can hit a 5" plate consistently at 750 but but it sure doesn't take much wind change to cause a miss

400 yards is about max for what I feel comfortable with on game and that's pushing it under field conditions.  What may one second be 400 might be 450 3 seconds later....

I was taught to pass if you weren't 1000% confident you had the shot and could do a clean 1 shot kill.


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Best thread I've seen in a long time.
Most of these posts are my sentiments exactly. 
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I'm new to this forum but not new to shooting and am probably more than a little biased towards Huskemaw . They have served me well.  The scope is not the secret to the Best of the West system. The real overlooked  information is how we arrive at the info printed on the turret. The ballistic program uses your drop information to make a drop chart that fits your bullet. The program will work with any scope ! Most programs, including ours, use the conditions, BC , and velocity to print a drop chart. That is great, if the Velocity and BC are correct. If they are not, the chart doesn't fit the arc at all ranges, especially the longer ranges. We use the first chart to get on paper and then , with an exact 200 yd zero and an exact mid range click count and an exact long range click count, we enter the long range data into the program. After calculating a chart with that information, we compare that chart to the mid range data If the mid range data does not match exactly, the BC must be moved up or down a few points and recalculated, the goal being to make the chart match at both the mid and long range. Once that happens, the chart will be acurate from muzzle to as far as you want to shoot for those conditions. This is printed on the turret along with the wind hold. I totally agree that most hunters are not ready to shoot 1000 yards and what I hope for in the schools is to double a shooters effective range.  Doping the wind , the up or down angle, the changes in elevation and temperature  are quite easy out to 450 or 500 yards , after that it requires a lot of practice and know how. The guys on the show are shooting about 1000 rounds a week breaking in rifles and doing data colection for scope mounts and all shoot very well and are with the hunters on the hunts coaching them all the way. Like it has been said over and over ,don't attempt these shots unless you have proved yourself repeatedly on the target range.
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Originally posted by PAPHIL PAPHIL wrote:

I'm new to this forum but not new to shooting and am probably more than a little biased towards Huskemaw . They have served me well.  The scope is not the secret to the Best of the West system. The real overlooked  information is how we arrive at the info printed on the turret. The ballistic program uses your drop information to make a drop chart that fits your bullet. The program will work with any scope ! Most programs, including ours, use the conditions, BC , and velocity to print a drop chart. That is great, if the Velocity and BC are correct. If they are not, the chart doesn't fit the arc at all ranges, especially the longer ranges. We use the first chart to get on paper and then , with an exact 200 yd zero and an exact mid range click count and an exact long range click count, we enter the long range data into the program. After calculating a chart with that information, we compare that chart to the mid range data If the mid range data does not match exactly, the BC must be moved up or down a few points and recalculated, the goal being to make the chart match at both the mid and long range. Once that happens, the chart will be acurate from muzzle to as far as you want to shoot for those conditions. This is printed on the turret along with the wind hold. I totally agree that most hunters are not ready to shoot 1000 yards and what I hope for in the schools is to double a shooters effective range.  Doping the wind , the up or down angle, the changes in elevation and temperature  are quite easy out to 450 or 500 yards , after that it requires a lot of practice and know how. The guys on the show are shooting about 1000 rounds a week breaking in rifles and doing data colection for scope mounts and all shoot very well and are with the hunters on the hunts coaching them all the way. Like it has been said over and over ,don't attempt these shots unless you have proved yourself repeatedly on the target range.
Welcome to the OT and thank you for your explanation.  I must say, your comments are much appreciated.  However, they are a little in conflict with the show's presentation, at least some of the original shows.  I quit watching, so cannot comment on any recent presentations.  Your description of the process and attitude is just what I would expect of an ethical, sound operation and I thank you, personally, for your clarification to us all.  Hoooah...
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I reviewed the 3x12x42 model. Its a basically a Nikon scope with a very fine reticle that any serious hunter knows will be lost in low light conditions. Clarity is equal to a Nikon and as far as the pretty blue turret... If you've done any shooting at all chances are you've got a range card and know your ammo and drop compensation out to atleast 500 yards. Huskemaw tells you in their silly elementary dvd to print out a range card from their website, zero at 200, shoot out to 475, then move target to 850 yards. They ask that you identify the typical data; BC, load, velocity, and range conditions. So essentially all this company actually does is take all the data you send them and machine a BDC turret that assists the shooter with Yaw.
Leupold has been doing the same thing for years hint hint..... To assume Joe Dirt can take a weapon, mount this scope, and kill the trophy animal of a lifetime at 700 yards is as laughable as calling Obama a president.
Save yourself $800 and buy a Zeiss Rapid Z-600. I have this mounted on a Cooper .223 WSSM and has excellent clarity and reliability. Do not buy the Rapid Z-1000. This reticle requires the scope to be sighted in at a fixed power of say 12x then never change the power or the frontal reticle plain will lose zero and cost you a few $$ in the curse word jar.
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