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don't see the need to drag this 2 year old post out of the "dead letter" bin...
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I don't mean to be lecturing but I feel this is a really important issue!!!

This might be an old post but if you watch the hunting shows, long rang hunting is all the rage on some of them. Add that to going to gun shows and listening to a LOT of the people buying rifles from the vendors, there's not a lot of knowledgeable people out there! The long range fad added to the lack of knowledge and the anti hunters is a real concern.

I am heavily involved in fighting the animal rights loonies as a Legislative Liaison for a couple of dog clubs. The animal rights loonies will use anything they can to further their agenda -- which is to eventually outlaw all animal ownership as well as to outlaw all hunting. Long range hunting is too easily condemned by the animal rights loonies and we’ll all be lumped into the unethical category by embracing the long range fad.

I understand a lucky few of us are capable of long range hunting but that’s a fantasy for most of us. Most people trying a long range shot (300 or 400+ yards) will either make a clean miss or worse yet, wound the unlucky animal only to die a slow death.

I feel we should all speak up whenever this subject comes up and condemn it as harmful to our passion. 

If you’re capable of making a long rage shot, more power to you! But it’s not something that will be beneficial for us to be encouraging or even talking about because of the lack of knowledge by most hunters – and because of those wacko loonies that are out to stop all hunting and/or to take away our second amendment rights!

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I have seen most of these "outdoor" shows and the one with husk. always shows the animal dropping in its tracks from what I have seen.
I wonder if the buying of high end optics is reason for that. I have shot a few animals who have dropped in their tracks but, most have run 40-50 yards before expiring.

Curious, if the animal knows if the optic targeting it says husk. swaro, Zeiss, etc. on it. Because, I am sure the the hunters peers know and are looking.
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I guess long range hunting needs to be defined.
3-400 isn't long range to me, that's a longer shot but with a decent rifle and glass and a good rest it's cake..  Now, you get past 6-700 then that is what most people consider long range..
Bullet time in flight, wind, etc.. 

Banging steel plates at 1K isn't the same as hunting at 750
I think most people will refrain from making shots they haven't practiced extensively at.
At least I hope so... If you can't bust a clay pidgeon every time at a given distance you shouldn't be shooting that far.

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Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

I have seen most of these "outdoor" shows and the one with husk. always shows the animal dropping in its tracks from what I have seen.
I wonder if the buying of high end optics is reason for that. I have shot a few animals who have dropped in their tracks but, most have run 40-50 yards before expiring.

Curious, if the animal knows if the optic targeting it says husk. swaro, Zeiss, etc. on it. Because, I am sure the the hunters peers know and are looking.
Jones'n is alive and well in the field on the range as well as most parts of everyday life. The sham-wow cures what ales ya.
 
Something that people have to notice about this long range shooting craze. Now in my humble opinion it can be done with relative ease with some practice with big targets. The most important things are high powered scope 14 power or higher, a bullet with a high BC and a steady rest in the prone position. I would suggest using a magnum caliber with a 24 plus inch barrel.
 
Really is shooting at a mature elk at 450-600 yards with a 20x scope laying down & he's perfectly still and has no clue you are there. Is that really impossible to hit inside an 20 inch kill zone?
 
If you look at these guys when they shoot they are using a front tripod and a rear tripod to hold the gun rock solid. That & a high powered scope are the key. Its a huge difference in shooting at something 500 yards away with a 10x sitting in a tree vs  20x laying down flat and steady.
 
That being said my long range is 400 yards I might shoot at an elk or moose at 450. I believe proghorn, deer and sheep the vitals are just too small to be shooting at past 400 yards for the average guy.
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Swirling, gusting, inconsistent winds make fools out of the long range experts. 
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Swirling, gusting, inconsistent winds make fools out of the long range experts. 
 
Yep thats a good point also. Anything over 5 mph boy you are taking a chance.
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Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Swirling, gusting, inconsistent winds make fools out of the long range experts. 

Bull.  Posers, Newbies and Wannabes?  Yes.  And unfortunately they vastly outnumber the "experts."

"Experts" in any field, including long range shooting, are by and large humble and realistic about their capabilities.  Because they know enough to know what those who aren't sound like when they're not.

An "Expert" will be the first guy to tell you when a medium or even short range shot--much less a long one--is a low percentage prospect due to the conditions.  They're the ones likely to identify conditions, even the less obvious ones, that make it so.  That's one of the more important skills their vast experience has taught them that can't be learned by buying a new product after watching an infomercial.

Of course many who know little about the subject (even those who once shot a rock at 900 yds and think that means they have a clue what they're talking about) don't know enough to know the difference between the two groups of people--which is where you get comments like the one quoted above.  They're just as wrong as the Newbie who thinks his new Huskemaw makes him a 900yd killer.

Don't get me wrong, no matter how good somebody is he will always be "fooled" occasionally.  But that's something entirely different than "being made a fool."
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Jon, I appreciate you response.
A smart guy knows his limitations and when a good shot can be made or not.
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Should have known to write "experts", or "so called experts" which is what I meant, so Jon A is right in that regard.  With the media exposure, marketing, etc nowadays LR hunting is made to look too easy.   
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Ya betcha!
The brand is everything. Swaro, Zeiss, Huskemaw, etc. means dead game! Materialism is the be all end all when it comes to optics ~ people should know their place in this world!
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Furthermore, you snooze you loose if don't listen to the "perts". The name on the gear is where its at. Thought speak is wisdom with a different name so listen to the "perts". ~ the thought speak and Soylent Green are there free for all some just don't know any better sad but true.
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Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

Ya betcha!
The brand is everything. Swaro, Zeiss, Huskemaw, etc. means dead game! Materialism is the be all end all when it comes to optics ~ people should know their place in this world!

You seem to be entirely missing the point of this thread: Huskimaw is a name without capabilities, they do not belong in the same category as Swaro or Zeiss.  All 3 are pricey, no doubt, but spending doesn't equal getting quality.

Brand is most definitely not everything.  I have a few SS scopes (made by SWFA) that I consider great quality, but nowhere near "brand" recognition - or price - of Swaro or Zeiss or others.

Most people are sheep, marketing works, Huskemaw is proof of this.  Then there's the idiot at the range that says "spending more than $300 on a scope is a waste" and his target at 100 yards looks like he shot it at 20 yards with 12 gauge bird shot.

There is very good quality inexpensive glass and there is very expensive crap; the trick is knowing which is which.  Many here have experience with both.  You don't have to listen, or even agree, it's your money, proceed accordingly.
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Rancid ~ is it?
Are you really "Rancid Coolaid" or just like calling yourself that.
I don't think I have missed the point or maybe I have. Why I brought up Oakley they known for the pieces of plastic you put on your face but, also put their name on backpacks, clothing and such. Just like GNC they don't "make" any of these things they sell with their brand on them they just go with lowest bidder making "their brand" ~ smoke and mirrors for the hip.

If the shepherds can herd the sheep in their direction more power to them. All for it capitalism is a great thing and what throngs don't know will not hurt them.

If it feels good do it ~ is that how it goes. The bling is what gets noticed and whether it is any better or not does not matter ~ no one is going to have any confidence in perceived junk from peers.
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I've always enjoyed the phrase, "With all due respect", since respect is earned - and you have earned exactly zero. So, with all due respect...

I think you are trying to sound intelligent and insightful, it isn't working.  Are you really asking me if I am coolaid?  And where Oakley came into this, I know not, but the point has been, from the beginning, name means far less than a tool's function for a given task.

I don't care what name is on a scope if the scope does what I need it do to.  Likewise, I don't care what name is on a scope if it does NOT do what I need.

We aren't talking about capitalism or feeling good, I began this thread to talk about a scope that made marketing statements that were inaccurate and disingenuous.

Thus far, your comments have made no salient point - and you've brought nothing of worth to the conversation.  What GMC and Oakley have to do with the conversation is tangential at best, more likely they are your preferred rants to make some point, but I'll be damned if it matters.
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Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I've always enjoyed the phrase, "With all due respect", since respect is earned - and you have earned exactly zero. So, with all due respect...



And keep the change.....

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"PC4life" --
Are you REALLY "pc4life" or an impostor?

Is there a particular reason you're repeating the same themes in multiple threads? Do you have a beef with someone in particular? Are you implying that OT members buy stuff based on perceived brand prestige or the need to impress others? What's the agenda here?
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He's typing his reply right now.......

I wonder how this all turns out. Whatever
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Na, I think all of these firearm and optics companies have done a wonderful job of capitalizing on the perceived difference between marketing and brand loyalty ~ separating the crowd with the crowd.

Saying that any equipment is only as good as the genetics of the eyes/brain behind them ~ not a good sales pitch.

That is where the outstanding sales genius's show their worth ~ gotta have the bling to mean anything in the world of long range shoot'n.

Fast talk, catchy lines and perceived koolness are the future in a tired "reality" driven market which is need something fresh ~ too bad "fresh" seems to be following the sheep.
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Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

Na, I think all of these firearm and optics companies have done a wonderful job of capitalizing on the perceived difference between marketing and brand loyalty ~ separating the crowd with the crowd.

Saying that any equipment is only as good as the genetics of the eyes/brain behind them ~ not a good sales pitch.

That is where the outstanding sales genius's show their worth ~ gotta have the bling to mean anything in the world of long range shoot'n.

Fast talk, catchy lines and perceived koolness are the future in a tired "reality" driven market which is need something fresh ~ too bad "fresh" seems to be following the sheep.


So, are you planning to keep reciting these same cryptic themes in every thread from this point forward, or are you planning to eventually crystallize your thoughts into salient points that directly relate to the topics being discussed?
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Na, just saying what I think from day to day being an individual you may or may not understand ~ its a jeep thing.

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