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I wonder how the Diamondback would compare to a Bushnell 4200.
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it would get beat, the diamond back competes with the 3200 elite
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Rancid Coolaid Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/19/2010 at 14:29
ILya, nice write-up, thanks for the hard work.

And thank you to SWFA for providing scopes to test.

I appreciate the inclusion of the Barska, I'll link to this report often.  (The size of the crowd that believes the marketing of Barska and BSA and Countersniper is ever-growing.)


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Great review. Thanks for sharing.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DAVE44 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/20/2010 at 11:01
Are the Plex reticles in say the Bushnell Elites and the Vortex Diamond Back similar or does the Vortex Plex reticle have thinner lines. I want to try a Vortex but dont want anything thinner than a Bushnell Plex.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote biggreen747 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/23/2010 at 23:52
Ilya - Thanks for all the hard work and a well written review. I am sure many of the other "GUN GEEKS" here as my wife likes to call me face the same situation that I often do which is friends/relatives/neighbors asking for suggestions for scopes in this price range. It is nice to have a substantive report from someone like yourself to refer to when dispensing advice. 

While it's always fun for us to compare the latest and greatest high end optics this is probably one of the larger market segments simply because many people cant afford more, many others simply refuse to spend more, and sometimes it's all we really need for a given application. It's good to see new companies like Vortex raising the bar for others to follow in this class.


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote helo18 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/31/2010 at 18:29
Finally got a chance to read this review.  Great write up as usually.  Thank you ILya!  Was glad to see the Burris FFII do well.  Big fan of that scope.  I love mine.  Well I am a Burris fan, and like all the the Burris equipment.  I got to test a Diamondback a while back too, but not a direct comparison to the 3-9.  I thought it was a good scope.  Nice to see it get a good review.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tip69 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/21/2010 at 10:16
Great review ILya!  I think the FFII we had did the same thing as far as bending on the outer edges..... which is why I got rid of it.  Don't think I'll be getting another one either.  Disappointed the Redfield didn't do better. 

Not sure why because I've never spent much time with one, but not a fan of the Prostaff..  guess I just wasn't impressed and they seem overpriced.
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price is a big problem because most guys just wont spend the money on quality optics for me i dont see getting a better bang for your buck than a nikon monarch
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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

price is a big problem because most guys just wont spend the money on quality optics for me i dont see getting a better bang for your buck than a nikon monarch

"Quality Optics" means something different for different people.  Besides, we all have different eyes and prefer different glass.

To use your example of Nikon Monarch: I did not particularly like previous generations Monarch scopes, and I dislike the current one even more (with the exception of the 2-8x32 model).  They just do not work well for me and I can think of quite a few scopes that I like a lot more for similar money.

For quite a few people, $200 is a lot of money to spend on a scope, and this thread was largely for them.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 300 ultramag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:13
well it dont matter to me what you like i like monarchs and have had good luck with zeiss
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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

well it dont matter to me what you like i like monarchs and have had good luck with zeiss
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ok what are the other scopes you like better than a monarch
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote 300 ultramag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:17
if tasco paid me id say they made good scopes too
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote pyro6999 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:20
it doesnt matter what i like according to you, and since you know it all i guess it really doesnt matter, and since your asking i happen to have two monarchs on my hunting rifles among other scopes.

nobody here gets paid except maybe barsness and some of the company reps.






Edited by pyro6999 - February/21/2010 at 21:31
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tahqua Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:41
Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

if tasco paid me id say they made good scopes too


What is your point with this statement? Are you saying the O.P. is getting paid by an optics company. To come on with a statement like that gains nothing regarding the topic at hand.
BTW, I happen to like Nikon.

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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

if tasco paid me id say they made good scopes too

Noone pays me to review scopes, if that is what you are implying.

You were so busy looking for my ulterior motives, that you totally missed my original point: everyone's eyes are different.  The fact that Monarchs work well for you, does not mean that they will work well for me and vice versa.

I have been reviewing stuff for a little while now and found that my impression correspond well to about 85-90% of the people out there who also looked at the same optics.  The remaining 10-15% usually prefer something different.

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote lucytuma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/22/2010 at 08:28
Nikon has recieved plenty of praise here, while they're not my cup of tea I do beleive they offer good value.  My favorite scopes in the mid-priced catagory are the Zeiss conquest and the leupold VX-3.
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Hey Koshkin, did you ever get a chance to compare that Sightron S1 to any of the others?
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Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

Hey Koshkin, did you ever get a chance to compare that Sightron S1 to any of the others?

Not really. Sightron S1 was not part of the test (I had my hands full anyway).  I would expect it to be competitive with Redfield and ProStaff, but that is just an educated guess.

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i truly believe sightron will give them a run for there money all of them
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote koshkin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: February/22/2010 at 16:55
I have Sightron S1 on a rimfire sitting in a safe.  I will look side by side if I have a chance, but I am pretty sure it is not up to the same level as Diamondback and FFII.

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Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

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I have one of early S2 3-9x42 models and it is indeed better than the scopes in this comparison (although Diamondbacks wide field of view is better than S2).  However, S2 3-9x42 currently runs ~$250, so it is not really an apples to apples comparison.

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hello koskin how would the team primos compare to these scopes or the s2?
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