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Originally posted by rootmanslim rootmanslim wrote:

Nooooo, the Lyman does not auto index, you turn the turret with the handle "The new turret HANDLE   makes indexing easier than ever." It does not auto index nor does the web site say it does.Lyman does not make nor can I recall them ever making an auto indexing rifle/pistol press.
As for the Lee you can load CASES up to 3" long with the auto index. I'm hardput to find a case longer than 3" except the 50 BMG which you can load on the Lee w/o auto indexing.
I don't use the auto index except for pistol cartridges or the size, prime and bell steps for lead rifle rounds. The biggest single feature to me is the inexpensive turrets that let you set up all your dies ONCE and store them in the turrets. I'll bet the Lyman turrets are a lot more and ,of course, farther off the center axis than the Lee's. RCBS has a progressive modification kit but you have to manually index the shell plate. Hornady & Dillon (I think) make auto indexing presses for a lot more $. lyman makes a good press but it is the same technolgy as the 50 year old Lyman 4 station massive turret press I sold on Ebay last year.Maybe Graf can correct your order.

Root you are wrong and right.  The Lyman is a progressive turret press, but does not auto index.  It holds up to 6 dies.  Will hold up to 4 inch cartridges.  The Lee turret press will hold up to 2 and 5/16 inch cartridge.  The 300Wby. measures 2.8 inches without the bullet and the 30-378, 2.9 without the bullet.  So the Lee press was out the window for those reasons also.  I have gotten good feedback on my choice from others, so I will stick with the Lyman.  I am sure I would have been happy with the Lee, but definately needed the extra clearance for those Wbys.  The info. I gave you, came from the Lee and Lyman websites. 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote rootmanslim Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: January/24/2007 at 22:31
A press you have to turn is hardly considered progressive by anyone who has spent any time reloading. Marketeers may call it so but after you have turned that turret a few 1000 times you'll get my point. Where did you get 2& 5/16ths? What part of THREE INCH CASE escaped you. That is CASE not LOADED ROUND. I have no problem with 300 H&Hs in my Lee turret. Go to the Lee website, it's there in B&W. As to 6 stations... there are no cartridges that use 6 dies. Most rifle die sets are 2 and modern pistol dies 4. Have you priced those Lyman turrets? $36.19 EACH vs $10 for the Lee. IOW I can set up 12 dies for your 6 and have 6 bucks left over. And don't forget you have to change that pesky handle each time you change turrets. Great 1940s technology !
I'm done, you've been sold and the facts are irrelevant.
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Root, go to the Lee website.  They have an area to answer questions.  When you go to that are to get answers to their turret press, it is laid out in black an white.  The press will not hold any cartridge larger than 2 and 5/16 inches in the turret press.  If you want to load a larger cartridge, you must convert it back to a single stage press, defeating the purpose of buying it as a turret press for me and some of the cartridges I will reload.  Next, I am fully aware of how many dies it takes to reload.  The Lymnan turret allows you to load 6 different dies for 3 different calibers, duh.  Or, this is a novel idea, for 2 pistol calibers, that require 3 dies.  Manual indexing is ok for me, but still falls into the category, as far as I am concerned, as being a progrssive reloader, in that, I do not have to do one step at a time, change dies and do the next step.  Yes, I wish it were auto indexing, but then, that would be a big step in cash and this just fit the bill.  Everyone else loved the Lyman products, who knows alot more than myself about them, so I felt comfortable with the purchase.
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You must be looking at the wrong turret press.I am talking about the Classic Turret (new in 2006)

Go to
http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?
1169739933.2767=/html/catalog/turretpress.html#ClassicTurret Press

It says THREE INCH CASES!!!

QUOTE The long stroke allows rifle cases over three inches long to be loaded using the automatic index. Deactivate the Auto-Index and cases as long as the monster 50 BMG can be loaded. ENQUOTE

Everyone else confirmed that Lyman makes good stuff. They do, it's just not modern. Their powder measure dates to the 19th century! FYI modern pistol dies are 4 not 3 die sets, as the 4th die does a resizing to ensure that the crimp stage did not bulge the case and therby inhibit feeding. (See the Lee 4 die set description)

FYI after using turret presses like the one you bought for 50 years, starting with a Lyman Tru-Line Junior, I can assure you that you will end up using it like a single stage press but avoiding the need to change dies as frequently. Cranking that turret around by hand is slower than sizing and priming 20, charging them in a block from a measure and then back to the press to seat. Remember to set those 240 WM dies so that you dont push back the shoulder. You want to headspace on the shoulder not the belt for best case life & accuracy. Good shooting!
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I personally don't like progressive presses, simply because I prefer being able to verify everything after each step of the loading process and I deep down don't trust that powder charges will always be exactly what I wanted.  I like to keep things simple and well-made.  Yes, it takes me longer to load a large batch of ammo, but I feel confident afterward that everything will be right, and if I'm assembling "accuracy" ammo, I don't like getting in a hurry. 
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Dolphin-assume you found the right Lee press?

RD, agree. I use the auto feature for pistol and sporting clays (RCBS Grand)
Cant use it for rifle cause I use the RCBS electronic scale/dispenser (checked every 10 on an ancient redding scale)
It has yet to make an error but it is electric AND made in China.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

I personally don't like progressive presses, simply because I prefer being able to verify everything after each step of the loading process and I deep down don't trust that powder charges will always be exactly what I wanted.  I like to keep things simple and well-made.  Yes, it takes me longer to load a large batch of ammo, but I feel confident afterward that everything will be right, and if I'm assembling "accuracy" ammo, I don't like getting in a hurry. 

 

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Gotta love that LEE CLASSIC CAST !!

 

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Dolphin I assume you could not find the web page?

Here is the home page with a big picture of the press and an expanation of its feartures
http://www.leeprecision.com/cgi/catalog/browse.cgi?116979150 5.2061=/html/index.html

You can see what you missed by buying an "Orange Annie"
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I don't really like the progressive presses either, I like to do one step at a time and check at completion of each step. Don't really know about all of the bad press on the Lee Challenger press, I have had one for about 20 years (the cheap aluminum O type press) and have reloaded thousands of rounds, pistol rifle etc. It will reload a 300 H&H, not sure about a 50 BMG. My other press is a 30 year old Herters works fine. Lee dies are fine, almost all of mine are Lee's much cheaper than the green and orange.  The Lee neck dies are great if you just have one rifle in the caliber. Nothing against any other press or dies, I just did not see enough of a difference for the large difference in money.

 

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People who bad mouth Lee might not have ever owned any of their stuff.Some of it really looks cheap, like the auto primer dispenser on the new turret press but it works great!
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Originally posted by smithrjd smithrjd wrote:

I don't really like the progressive presses either, I like to do one step at a time and check at completion of each step. Don't really know about all of the bad press on the Lee Challenger press, I have had one for about 20 years (the cheap aluminum O type press) and have reloaded thousands of rounds, pistol rifle etc. It will reload a 300 H&H, not sure about a 50 BMG. My other press is a 30 year old Herters works fine. Lee dies are fine, almost all of mine are Lee's much cheaper than the green and orange.  The Lee neck dies are great if you just have one rifle in the caliber. Nothing against any other press or dies, I just did not see enough of a difference for the large difference in money.

 

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i believe you have summed up the whole reason to reload here my friend, to save money and i think that and making your own custom loads is whats really important, i use all green stuff that doesnt mean i am better, just mean i like the green stuff.

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I choose the Lyman equipment primarily because after researching all the brands and the various kit configurations and prices, it just fit the bill.  The RCBS looked great, as did the Hornady kits, but were a little more expensive and I found the Lyman kit at a great price, at Graf and Son, and they do not charge shipping.  Purchased it with a MEC 600Jr. shotshell reloader and a caliper and the total shipping weight was 59lbs.  Can you imagine how much shipping would have been from another company.  And again the price on the Lyman was cheaper than all of the others, at that time.  Its not a progressive press, in the true sense of the word, but with the handle attached to the turret, you can speed things up, at least according to the manual.  I will let you know when I get started.  I am not sure about what to make of the auto measure.  Does anybody calibrate those and really use them, or do they continue to scale measure and load?
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If you are talking about the Lyman powder measure, it is
a good measure that dates back to the 19th century. It is
happiest with ball, flake and short cut powders. With them it
will deliver 1-2/10s accuracy which is good enough for any loads
in a mid-capacity (308)& up size round. I have four of them set
up for favorite loads, they range in age from the 1930s to 1990s
all work fine with an annual take apart and dry powder
lubing. With SC & SSC powders it is best to try and not use the top 2 slides.Just keep all three aligned and slide in & out. Sounds tricky but is not as long as you are not trying to load 35.6 gr vs 35.7 gr. (that level of precesion is generally not needed)
On you MEC,It's a 12 right? Get a 7/8 oz bar and try the Ballistic Products 7/8
oz wads with the suggested load of red dot. Use less shot, less recoil and will kill clay birds and upland game just as well as heavier loads.(will not function some autos)
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What do you think about the universal charge bar that you can purchase for the MEC reloader?  I believe the loader, which I have not opened yet, but if I remember correctly, came with the 7/8ths. oz. charge bar.  That would alleviate the need to buy multiple charge bars.  I primarily shoot skeet and trap, so the provided bar is fine and I can buy dies for 20 and 28 gauges at reasonable prices.
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Actually, I just checked the MEC website and it comes with a 1 and 1/8th oz. charge bar, which is what Remington loads in their Premier STS Target Loads. 

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I had a universal charge bar... it's a pain...mine sold on ebay.
For a 12 you'll need (at most) 3/4, 7/8, 1, 1&1/8, 1& 1/4.
I use 3/4 in my 1910 Turnbull restored L.C. Smith single bbl trap gun and 1913 Turnbull restored FW 12ga L.C. Smith special order SxS grouse gun out of respect for their ages and 7/8 oz for everything else. Lighter shot loads give more even patterns as well as saving $ and wear & tear on you & the gun. What you save on shot will buy you premium wads like ballistics products.
The only cases you want to use are WRA AAs or Rem Gold STS. You can buy once fired ones for dirt from BP or Cabelas. with Red Dot (the only powder you'll need for clay or upland loads) any primer works fine.I shoot 3000 shells in the 6 months I am in WY at trap & clays.I don't reload heavy field or duck loads as it just isn't worth resetting the press to save a few bucks.
I also load 16 ga for my sauer drilling and 10 ga for my 1880s Ithaca cannon breech hammer double. (it should have wheels! but it's a deadly trap gun...you can wait forever and still bust em. Using 1 oz shot IMR 4756 and soft federal 12 ga wads the pressure is lower than a standard black powder load. It is choked so tight that a 12 bore wad will not drop thru the bbls!
It gets a lot of strange looks until the clays vaporize way out yonder.
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I noticed Alliant make a red dot product, but you are specifically talking about Ballistics Products?  Anyway, thanks for the information, you and the other guys have been very helpful.
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Alliant has an excellent free load book that covers rifle, pistol & shotgun for their powders. I am suggesting the 7/8 oz Ballistic Product wads, Alliant Red Dot and AA or STS hulls. All of which you can get from Ballistic products.You can also get MEC charge bars and powder bushings from BP. Check out their website.
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just got my copy of rifleshooter and they had a good article on how to build a good wooden reloading bench
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