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March 3-24x42 on a Near rail and Near Alphamount on Winchester Model 70 Laredo in 7mmSTW.  
More to come...  it is a very nice set up.  
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Very nice! Looking forward to your review.
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Looks great, Dan. 
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This is the MOA reticle version (my preference in a scope... just me, nothing against Mil/Mil scopes). 
Design: Excellent, but "eye box" is more critical than I would like for such an expensive scope, expecially at higher magnifications.  Just a nit, but this is a pricey scope.  Eye box should be better.  The scope is, overall, compact and well put together.  Nice packaging.
Turrets:  Clicks audible/tactile.  Zero stop/set is excellent.  100MOA both windage and elevation (nearly exactly, based upon mechanical zero calibration).  Elevation is 25MOA/per turn.  Reminds me of EREK turret on USOptics.  
Tracking: Based upon charts and rulers, the scope adjustments are as true as my eye can tell at 100 yards. 
This is a precision instrument.  
Glass (overall quality): Excellent.  It is on a par with the finest, top of the line scopes.  CA is virtually non-existant, edge to edge is clean, clarity is superior.  
Reticle: FMA-1.  MOA reticle with MOA adjustments... I love it.  At 3x, the reticle is a little small, but with the illumination "ON", there are no problems for me.  
Low light operation: At 12-15x, low light operation is exceptional... above that there is noticeable "dimming".  The small objective is a "negative", in my book.  I've used some of the Air Force "eye charts" and one can certainly exceed legal hunting hours with this scope.  It is NOT the "astronomical quality" of my Hensoldt 6-24x72.  Understandable, but a little disappointing for me in low light conditions above 15x.
Electronics:  The illuminated reticle is outstanding.  Though I am a big fan of "tuneable" control, the 4-position light settings are superb.

Generally, this March Tactical scope is of extreme quality and I can't really find anything "wrong" with it.  It has some features I truly love and wish were available on my Hensoldt.  It has some disappointments, most significantly the eyebox and low light performance.  
On my 7mmSTW, it helps create a truly superior shooting instrument that any fine/long range rifleman will appreciate and enjoy.   
Truthfully, I've thought a couple of times about exchanging this scope for a USOptics or a 4-16 or 3-12Hensoldt.  I've changed my mind.  The 7mmSTW is an extreme long range gun and the 3-24March allows me to take advantage (easy advantage) of all the "legs" the gun has.  It has a permanent home and I am glad to have it.  It is not perfect, but even the Hensoldt is not perfect (2nd FP and mil reticle/1CMper100meter adjustments, no "zero reset").  The March is well designed, well constructed, easy to "get behind" and easy to use.  A lot to love... 
Though my wife did not purchase this scope for me, she did tell me to "get whatever you want".  The more I use it, the more I want it.  Very fortunate to have this optical masterpiece at my disposal...

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You need to come to AZ for a visit, I know some spots we can really stretch them legs...
If it is tourist season, why can't we shoot them?
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Billy, that sounds ike a great idea.  Next time I get to "visit" Az, I will ship it to myself at your address.  Then we can both get some hands on with it at long range.  PM me your address.  You will absolutely love the Laredo, and with that scope on it, it is really something.  

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I did a "realignment" using a laser boresight device.  2 rounds 100 yards..

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Killing trees and now hummingbirds, what's next?
That is interesting to see that on your gun. Is that a sporter weight barrel, KB? That set up looks very stout and I was wondering how the whole package handles. I assume this is for hunting. So is it for sitting, stalking or both?


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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Killing trees and now hummingbirds, what's next?


No kidding! Shooting kittens next, Dan? Big Grin
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Killing trees and now hummingbirds, what's next?
That is interesting to see that on your gun. Is that a sporter weight barrel, KB? That set up looks very stout and I was wondering how the whole package handles. I assume this is for hunting. So is it for sitting, stalking or both?

The Laredo uses a heavy target barrel, 26 inch.  I used this rifle for my Axis hunt years back.  It is a stalker... use a "front carry" tactical sling.  But, of course, it is useable for any situation.  I've killed a few deer with it, and shot a turkey with it right after I got it.  1/2MOA with factory loads, about .284 with custom ammo.  
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Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

Killing trees and now hummingbirds, what's next?


No kidding! Shooting kittens next, Dan? Big Grin

Baby raccoons...
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I don't know... how's this???


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Thank you for reminding me that I needed to check zero on my 300WM... cold bore shot.  It started raining right after that shot or I would have shot the other eye...


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My wife just saw the "kitten target"...
She said "the hummingbird was OK.. that was just a drawing, but that's a picture of a REAL kitten... you are so BAD..."

Now I'm in trouble...
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Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

My wife just saw the "kitten target"...
She said "the hummingbird was OK.. that was just a drawing, but that's a picture of a REAL kitten... you are so BAD..."

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I'm continuing to put the March 3-24 Tactical through it's paces on the 7mmSTW.  3-24x42 may be good and sound enticing to some… not so for me.  This would be a truly amazing scope with a 56mm objective.  With 42mm objective, it is excellent in many respects, and would satisfy 99+% of the population… I find it less than satisfying.  For me, the lowlight performance is "average" and the eye box, in a government contractual evaluation get an "acceptable" rating.  Sorry, but "acceptable" in a nearly $3000.00 scope is NOT acceptable.  I have had "hands on" with other March scopes and was highly impressed with their performance.  Visually, this one leaves me a little cold.  It has some great features… I love the elevation turret… I don't really dial windage, I hold windage, so the windage I have not really even paid attention to… it is good and anyone who "dials" will like it.  As I have said before, glass is outstanding, there is no fringing, contrast is excellent, depth of field is high quality… 
Overall feel remains excellent.  

I'm really upset about the eye box.  I expected it to be on the order of my Hensoldt… it is NOT, nowhere close.  

Truth be told, if I had it to do over again, I would go with Hensoldt 3-12x56FF or 4-16x56FF.  Don't get me wrong, once you "get on" the spot the view is amazing… finding the right spot is not "instantaneous" as with the Hensoldt.  You won't want to sit behind it for infinity like you will with the Hensoldt… I've spent many hours observing the world passing by with the Hensoldt.  I won't spend as much time "just looking" with the March.  It is a great long range scope, 99+% will rave over it.  Finding the eye box is not slow, just not immediate and, for me, not ALPHA… 

I won't ever again purchase a scope based upon past experience with the "line".  I got it because I had past hands on with other March products… very positive, by the way… and it was in an interesting power range… 3-24 is a fantastic range.  I've never much cared for small objective scopes… just a personal thing.  

Rating, for me, OVERALL is about an 8.0 out of 10.0.  The turrets are fantastic, the glass is superb, some of the design features are less than "Alpha"… 

I certainly won't throw it or give it away… it is not a candidate for the "Carlos Hathcock scope shot", it is certainly in my top 5.  However, Hensoldt is "KING"...


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I ran the turret and checked the reticle some today… 4clicks close enough to an inch… 7shots, up 4 clicks after each shot, just a hair over 7inches rise, shooting from a Caldwell Lead Sled.  The stadia are dead on using a yardstick.  As precise as I could hope for.  
At 12x, it has all the light one would require in low light conditions.  
I'm going to try to set up some long range shooting in the next couple of weeks.  With both the 7mmSTW/March and the 338LM/Hensoldt.
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Turrets like the EREK, that is high praise!

On the eye box issue, stop looking for the Henny equivalent, it ain't out there.  The closest I have come is the Kahles 6-24, and that is a appreciably "not Hensoldt", but quite good.

I have never owned a March but might need to take a look.  My go to 300WM wears the 6-24 now, but a 3-24 would be awesome for just about everything.

Let us know on the long range stuff.

FYI: I was disappointed in the 4-16 Hensoldt FFP regarding elevation range, it was much lower than the 3-12 and not nearly enough for true long range work.
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