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i was looking for somethinf under $400 if at all possib;e but i also kow you get what you pay for.
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Well, if you are going to be shooting at no more than 200 yards hunting, then I would minimize you max. magnification and buy the best glass for the money.  There are alot of people that will tell you that all you need is a max. of 6x, which is probably true, but personally, I would go to 9x and stop.  At a 400 dollar budget, most of the good scopes truely offer comparable glass.  With the caliber, eye relief becomes and issue as well as mounting to achieve a proper set up so that when you shoot the rifle you a comfortable.  If you are going to shoot at low light, then you want a larger objective, the end of the scope, probably 50mm, if not, I would stick with a 40 to 44 mm. at the most, as it makes for simplicity, costs less for the quality of glass you get and streamlines the rifle.  Now, if you can answer some of those questions, I can recommend a few great scopes that will serve you quite well for years to come.

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the monarch would be a good scope - you may want to check inventory.

 

if you can scrounge up the extra cabbage - try a 44mm conquest. with a #4 reticle -

awesome lowlight reticle. decent eye relief.

 

good luck.

 

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I do hunt alot of feilds that are 300 yards long but i would only thing of a shot at 200 yards if my practice works out will.So light might be a factor.but if i can i would like a scope that would help me see futher.Also is going on a 300 win mag so i want something that will hold the zeroing .

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on another note what type of mounts and other things would i need to make it work well with the ?

 

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Any of these scope should be excellent for your requirements and fit you budget quite nicely.  The Bushnell Elite 4200 is an excellent scope also and some believe has better optics.  I personally would recommend Warne bases and rings or the Talley light weight one piece base and rings.  The Nikons are on sale, but are probably back ordered.  I have been waiting several weeks for mine.

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6535 Nikon 3.5-10x50 Monarch UCC Riflescope                      Nikon 3.5-10x50 Monarch UCC Riflescope
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6533 Nikon 3.5-10x50 Monarch UCC Riflescope                      Nikon 3.5-10x50 Monarch UCC Riflescope
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On this one is the BDC close being on if zeroed in right?

would the warren base and rings work good for this.

I'm new at this so bear with me.I'm learning as i go

 

 

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All bullet drop compensation reticles are spaced so as to work with different calibers after sighting in at a certain range and using the scope at usually max. magnification.  Now, they are not dead on for those calibers at the different ranges.  For example, Burris gives you information on their reticle with respect to different calibers, as far as how high or low the point of impact will be at the level chose.  Therefore, the best way to use the reticle, is to approximate with the information given and shoot the rifle at the range to see exactly how far off you are from the marks.  If you really want to get into it, you can sight your scope in a little different so that the bullet may cross one of you marks perfectly at the given range you so desire.  However, for the chosen caliber you have and the distances you are going to be hunting, the BDC is not necessary.  I would take your rifle to the range and sight it in at whats called, maximum point blank range.  That is the distance that gives you the greatest latitude in hitting your target in the proper spot without making any adjustment in your shot.  You just aim where you should and you will be fine.  For example, with a 300 win. mag. using a Remington 150 grain core lokt bullet, the maximum point blank range, using a target of 6 inches round, would be 221 yards, ie, the distance with which you would sight your rifle in.  This would allow you to be accurate and take a deer without making adjustments in your sight from 122 yard to 251 yards.  Also remember your bullet crosses the line of sight at two points, near and far.  So, if you encounter a deer at say 25 yards, you will almost be dead on.  At 75 yards, you will be 2.3 inches high.

Yes, the Warne bases and rings would work fine for all of these scope.  I use them almost exclusively.



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I know i have got to do alot of shooting to get this all worked out.

The way it sounds if i want to shot long it messes my short range up but if i want short range it messes my long range up.I guess i'll try to find a happy medium some how.

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As mentioned by Dolphin you don't need a BDC for shots ranging 0-200 yards or almost 300 for that matter. 3-9, or 3-12 is enough scope - have to ask youself if there is a possbility of shooting inside of 50 yds - if so, even 3X at the bottom end is pushing it.

 

Check out the ballistics on Hornady's web site for their 3 listed 150 grain loads.  When zeroed for 200 yards here's the stats:

100 yards:  +1.1 inch

200 yards:    0

300 yards:   -5.6 to -5.9

 

- this means just point and shoot out to 250 yards with no change in sighting

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okay.I can handle that a little better.

I use an 180 grain.and i do shoot under 50 yrds at times when stalking.

 

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Hornady has two 180 loads listed.  Not a lot of difference:

 

100yards:   1.5 to 1.6 high

200 yards:  0

300 yards:  6.8 to 7 inch low

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Ok, that is not difficult either.  What you have to know, is a little about the exterior ballistics of the caliber and load/bullet you are shooting and you do not have to give up short distances for long distance or the other way around.  Before I go any further, let me correct myself.  Those ballistics that I gave you earlier, were for a 300 Savage with the same bullet, but the concept still holds true.  At any rate, if you sight in at 100 yards, you will below by .25 inches at 50 yards and .75 inches low at 25 yards.  At 200 yards you will be 2.5 inches low and at 300 yards you will be 10 inches low.  Therefore, a sight in range of 100 yards would seem to be ideal for you.  If you encounter that 300 yard shot, you will have to remember to shoot high by about 10 inches.  A good rangefinder will also be a helpful tool.  But, at under 250 yards, little adjustment will need to me made (5.6 inches low) and overall, you should do well with this set-up.

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I have a friend that reloads  he told me we can try different thing to get me shooting decent.

thats why i'm useing 180 he already has the stuff to do it with.so i'm also going to get into learning to reload.

 

The reason why i'm doing all this is i'm going to http://www.muygranderanch.com/  next year so i'm trying to cover all my bases for this life long dream trip. 

 

I think with a little (lot) of practice i can handle that much better.

Dogger Thanks for all your help

 

 

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I have the Nikon ordered, which has been on back order for several weeks.  A very fine scope, which should serve you very well.  If you do not need alot of light gathering for low light situations, then this would be better than the ones I previously recommended and actually, in the real world, many a person could probably not tell the difference.  Skip the Simmons, made in China.  They used to make a good scope, I cannot vouch for them anymore and given the politics with China, I cannot recommend any product made in that country.  Regardless, it is inferior, by all accounts I have read, to the Nikon.
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Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

 at say 25 yards, you will almost be dead on.  At 75 yards, you will be a little over 12 inches high...

 

I assume you meant "1.2 inches" perhaps?

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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by Dolphin Dolphin wrote:

 at say 25 yards, you will almost be dead on.  At 75 yards, you will be a little over 12 inches high...

 

I assume you meant "1.2 inches" perhaps?

Thanks, it was actually suppose to be 2.3 inches high.  Not sure how I did that.  Thanks for picking that up.  I did that with my handheld PC and Exbal and rechecked it on my PC and on the handheld to see if it would give me the same error, but both were right on.

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I like the smart cross hairs in the simmons.will or dose nikon make the same rectal for that scope or dose the BDC work like it is desighned to?

 

 

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The Nikon BDC should work like it is suppose to, but I personally have never tried it or the Simmons.  I am really not sure what the distance between the marks are on the Nikon.  The manual does not say.  I measured them on another post for Koshkin, but would have to do a search to find it, as I diagrammed it on put it on the post.  I would stay away from the Simmons and really would not worry about the BDC.
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Okay,Thanks man,

I'll still pounder on it bit I THINK i have made up my mind then.

I'm new to this and want to get the right one and learn all i can about it.Whitch i think about things to much anyhow lol

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THANKS FOR ALL THE HELP.

 

I bought the 5.5-16.5x44

 

it looks really good so far.i have to put about 200 rounds thru it to feel Comfortable .

I'll keep ya'll posted.

 

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i love the 300 mags i laugh at the range everytime one of those kicking sob's lets me have and at times i think why do i punish myself like that, then i say its about pride. welcome to the 300 club good luck!
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Pyro,

yeah i get some looks when the big ugly blast one down the range myself.

 

And ty sir.

 

After i get thru all the testing thing i want to do witht he nikon i will post the results.

 

 

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