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    Posted: March/28/2007 at 14:31

Read their rules before paying someone for a firearm using Pay-Pal.

 

 

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Michael N Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: April/28/2007 at 10:55
Read their rules before paying for anything firearm related at all using Paypal . My Dad sells Once-fired Brass and otehr reloading equipment and he cannot use Paypal to accept payment for that .
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SShooterZ Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: June/06/2007 at 10:52
Just title it as machine parts or metallic pieces and they'll never know the difference. ;)
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote OK hunter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: July/04/2007 at 10:02
I interpret their position as "anti-gun" and therefore have ceased using paypal.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Graysteel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/23/2007 at 09:04
This thread is a bit old, but I just came across this link.

http://www.njcsd.org/content/view/106/25/

http://www.njcsd.org/forum/showthread.php?t=66

I should state the disclaimer that I haven't double checked the research.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Chris Farris Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/23/2007 at 09:33

We've always contended that eBay and PayPal were not anti-gun.  The links you provided echo what I've said a hundred times, they are not anti-gun they are anti-law suit.  PayPal lists this at the bottom of their policy page that is linked in my first post.

 

"PRE-APPROVED MERCHANTS
You may not use PayPal in the purchase or sale of firearms or ammunition unless the seller has received prior approval from PayPal. PayPal reserves the right, at its sole discretion, to permit its payment services to be used for the legal purchase and sale of certain firearms and ammunition regulated by this policy. Approval to use PayPal for the sale of certain firearms or ammunition will only be permitted after a thorough review of the procedures and controls the seller has in place in order to ensure transactions and shipments are conducted in compliance with all applicable laws and regulations.

If you or your business requires approval to engage in the sale of firearms or ammunition in accordance with this policy, please send your contact information and a brief summary of your business to:
compliance@paypal.com."

 

I am also going to post some of the information from the links above in case the links stop working in the future.

 

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PayPal Not Anti-Gun PDF Print E-mail
Tuesday, 18 October 2005


Every now and again, we hear from a potential donor that they don't want to use PayPal because of their alleged anti-gun policy.  This is just flat out untrue.  Let us share our thoughts about why we should continue to use PayPal for donations and for purchases whenever it suits us.

 
If you view PayPal's firearms policies, they clearly state that they do not support payments for firearms.  However, they also do not permit transactions for tobacco products, switchblades, pharmaceuticals, Native American artifacts, "mature audience" items, or dozens of other regulated items and substances that present a potential legal liability listed in their 'acceptable use' section.

Taken all in, all it is our belief that their policy amounts to nothing more than a business decision to limit their liability and minimize exposure to their shareholders by minimizing their risk.

By being party to the sale of a firearm transaction gone awry, the convoluted and disparate laws of the country could place their business in severe jeopardy of lawsuit.  Just because a business chooses to limit their liabilit does not amount to an anti-anything policy.

PayPal is no more "anti-gun" than they are "anti-smoking", or "anti-drinking" because they also decline to permit transactions in tobacco or alcohol products.

The NJCSD's policy will continue to be that we support the use of PayPal to help forward our cause until someone can present credible and valid evidence that PayPal and/or eBay contribute to anti-gun or anti-freedom organizations such as Handgun Control Inc., the Brady Campaign, Million Mom March or other type of organization that undermines our right to keep and bear arms.
Overall, even if PayPal was in fact anti-gun -- and we stress that there is absolutely no evidence that this is the fact -- whatever few cents they might donate to undermine us from our transaction would be so outweighed by the benefit of the dollars used to forward our cause that it pales in the light of comparison.

The NJCSD urges you to continue to use PayPal for transactions, and to not let it hold you back from using your dollar votes to support your rights. - New Jersey Coalition for Self Defense

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Regarding Robert's statement about Paypal (above) not being anti-gun, I decided to pound some leather and find out the details.

You may or may not know that Ebay wholly acquired Paypal in 4Q 2002 in a $1.5 billion transaction. As such, Ebay policy (such as no guns) is Paypal policy.

One aspect of liability that Robert didn't mention was the complication of facilitating interstate commerce. Guns are the most highly regulated consumer good in the country. The US is a patchwork of laws and regulations and many states have given Ebay a lot of problems about gun parts. Just within the last week, Ebay had a settlement with NY state over stun guns. I don't blame Ebay for this as much as I blame the patchwork nature of gun laws in the US. Like it or not, it is a smart business decision
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They are Anti Gunners
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***Message from Matt Halprin - New Listing Restrictions on Gun Parts***


July 30, 2007 | 10:00AM PST/PT

Matt Halprin

In mid-August, we will be updating our Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy to place more restrictions around gun-related items. Once these changes take effect, we will prohibit listings of any firearm part that is required for the firing of a gun. This includes items like bullet tips, brass casings and shells, barrels, slides, cylinders, magazines, firing pins, trigger assemblies, etc. Please read the Firearms, Weapons and Knives Policy for more details on our current policy.

As you may know, eBay does not allow the listing of any items which are regulated by individual states or the federal government; however, there are still a large number of firearm-related parts that are legal and are widely available in retail stores. These items have also historically been allowed on eBay.

After learning that some items purchased on eBay may have been used in the tragedy at Virginia Tech in April 2007, we felt that revisiting our policies was not only necessary, but the right thing to do. After much consideration, the Trust & Safety policy team ? along with our executive leaders at eBay Inc. ? have made the decision to further restrict more of these items than federal and state regulations require.

This new update continues to encourage safety among our community members and brings our policies in the U.S. and Canada in closer alignment with our existing policies in other markets around the globe.

Sincerely,

Matt Halprin
Vice President, Trust & Safety

 
Not to beat on ebay anymore than has already been done, but this statement is clearly anti-gun and can't be perceived ANY other way.
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Anyone that thinks that it is guns(or knife, arrow, etc) that kills is anti-gun......
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 I'm pretty sure Chris is right ... it's a liability issue . Some would sue the mine that produced the brass for cartridges if they could .
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https://www.gunpal.net/
Maybe an alternative.
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