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Topic: "Inexpensive Scope" Comparison
Posted By: koshkin
Subject: "Inexpensive Scope" Comparison
Date Posted: January/03/2010 at 01:11
"Inexpensive Scope" Comparison

When I originally conceived this comparison I set out to determine the following: what can you get for under $200 if you are looking for a basic hunting scope.  To me a basic hunting scope is a variable scope of 3-9x40 or similar configuration.  The catch is that there are quite a few such scopes out there and I was not sure which ones to go for.  Hence, I set up a poll on the forum and counted votes.  I ended up with the following scopes:
  • Burris Fullfield II 3-9x40 (supplied by SWFA)
  • Redfield Revolution 3-9x40 (supplied by Leupold/Redfield)
  • Vortex Diamondback 3-9x40 (supplied by Vortex)
  • Nikon ProStaff 3-9x40 (supplied by SWFA)
  • Bushnell Elite 3-9x40 (supplied by SWFA)

After some consideration, I also asked SWFA to loan me Barska SWAT 3.5-10x40 scope.  While it is aimed at a different audience, I have been told that it is a better scope than the typical cheap chinese scopes that flood Wally world.  I am primarily interested in the five scopes above since they compete with each other directly, but I will also add some commentary on how Barska SWAT stacks up.  For the duration of this review, if you see me saying "all the scopes" I mean the five main contenders.  If I mean to include Barska with the bunch, I will specifically mention it.

Rather than write up everything after I am done with the scopes, this time around I will do this comparison in a segmented fashion as I go along.

Part 1.  First impressions

Here are some specs first:


Burris 
Fullfield II 
3-9x40
Redfield Revolution
3-9x40
Bushnell 
Elite 3200 
3-9x40
Nikon 
ProStaff 
3-9x40
Vortex Diamondback
3-9x40
Barska
SWAT
3.5-10x40
Length, in12.212.312.612.311.614.5
Weight, oz1312.61313.714.424.16
Main Tube Diameter1"1"1"1"1"30mm
Eyepiece Diameter, mm39TBDTBD39.340.6TBD
Eye Relief, in3.8 - 3.14.2 - 3.73.33.63.5 - 3.33.3
FOV, ft@1000yards33 - 1332.9 - 13.133.8 - 11.5

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Posted By: Smokey53119
Date Posted: January/03/2010 at 09:51
Wow that was quick!  Looking good Ilya. 


Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: January/03/2010 at 11:09
Good deal, I believe alot of members are looking forward to this thread.

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: January/03/2010 at 13:01
I look forward to the rest of the comparison.

Thanks for taking the time to do this for us.


Posted By: JF4545
Date Posted: January/03/2010 at 13:12

The 2nd. scope I ever bought approx. 27 years ago was a Burris FFII. Im curious how it comes out on the test. The scope is not very clear any more, its been through alot but its held in there...

Thanks ILya!Smile
Julio........
 
Jan 17th, Ok Finally got the time to read the whole comparison. Guess Burris did not make the #1 spot but was close. These Vortex Scopes seem to pretty darn good scopes all around for the money and I will keep them in mind....Great review!!!


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/03/2010 at 15:03
You are welcome, gentlemen.

Since everyone participated in defining this comparison, I figured I should release information as I get it.  Next step will be to take the scopes to the range (likely to happen a week from today), where I will form an opinion on the performance of the scopes in daylight, how they hold zero and whether there is any POI shift with magnification changes.  Some things will be clear right off hand, and some will need further investigation which is what I will focus on during the successive trips to the range.

All of the scopes are now mounted in weaver-style rings, which do not return exactly to zero, but come back close enough to not need re-sighting in again for my purposes.  In between range trips, I will take them off the guns and conduct further optical tests: low light, flare, etc.

I will try to complete everything by SHOT, but I make no guarantees.

ILya


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Posted By: Monster
Date Posted: January/03/2010 at 18:44
Cool report koshkin. Very professional. Thunbs Up

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Posted By: Palehorse
Date Posted: January/04/2010 at 14:12
Thanks for the update.  I look forward to seeing how these guys fair in low light, and how the new (old) kid Redfield stacks up.


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: January/04/2010 at 15:00
Thanks  for the hard work.

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Posted By: magshooter1
Date Posted: January/05/2010 at 07:45
Get Your Popcorn Ready

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: January/05/2010 at 08:07
Originally posted by Monster Monster wrote:

Cool report koshkin. Very professional. Thunbs Up
 
+1


Posted By: spf2
Date Posted: January/06/2010 at 12:19
nice write-up and easy to follow. thanks


Posted By: jmac603
Date Posted: January/07/2010 at 13:12
Wow, this is awesome!  Most definitely tagged.  Thanks for the hard work and sharing your findings.

Jay


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Posted By: jason miller
Date Posted: January/09/2010 at 14:53
Thanks again for doing this, and I'm anxiously awaiting your results.  And if you really do get around to doing that part two you mentioned, might I suggest the frontier/s1, buckmaster, and a weaver?  I think that out of those three and the scopes you already have, this could be one of the most helpful comparisons out there for the average hunter.  Oh, and can anyone confirm that a Pentax Pioneer is the same thing as a Fullfield II?


Posted By: DAVE44
Date Posted: January/09/2010 at 18:46
Yes it is basically the same scope, I had one and its specs and its adjustment turrets are exactly the same as the Fullfield II. I was impressed with the quality of the glass, it compared optically to my Browning 3-9x40 which was equal to my Bushnell 4200 3-9x40.


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/09/2010 at 22:16
Part 2 of the comparison is now added to the original post.

ILya


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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: January/10/2010 at 02:00
Good info. So far, I'm thinking the Vortex will come out on top, based on its size, FOV and better glass quality. We'll see how they do with shooting.

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Posted By: martin3175
Date Posted: January/11/2010 at 07:52
Super..well done !!! I looked at the 2-7 Vortex about a year ago and found it surprisingly bright ( albeit heavy ) optic for the money


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/11/2010 at 09:20
Great work Koshkin.


Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: January/11/2010 at 10:01
Very nice.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/12/2010 at 02:28
Original post is updated with some more information and pictures.

ILya


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Posted By: jason miller
Date Posted: January/12/2010 at 14:04
Thanks for the work, and I'm still looking forward to the conclusion. 

If you did a part two, which additional scopes would you be interested in comparing?


Posted By: Risasi
Date Posted: January/12/2010 at 14:11
This review is much appreciated. It is confirming my suspicions that Vortex is the real deal.
I'm guessing they will supplant the economy range to mid-range Nikon and Leupold lines.






Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/12/2010 at 14:14
Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

Thanks for the work, and I'm still looking forward to the conclusion. 

If you did a part two, which additional scopes would you be interested in comparing?

I will address this when I am done.  Also, before I answer this question, I want to see what comes out at SHOT next week.

ILya


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/15/2010 at 20:00
All right, gentlemen.  It is done and the original post is properly updated.

ILya


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Posted By: ckk1106
Date Posted: January/15/2010 at 20:19
Excellent. Thunbs Up  I had a feeling that the FFII would do well and that the Nikon Prostaff wouldn't fair as well.


Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: January/15/2010 at 20:20
Excellent, I  greatly appreciate the time and effort you put into this, what I liked best was that you chose winners and losers and explained why,  I expect that this review will be useful to many people, thank you again.

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Posted By: Smokey53119
Date Posted: January/15/2010 at 20:53
Fantantic job Sir.  Thank You
 
It appears that the Barska SWAT scope was not your favorite, true?
 


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/15/2010 at 21:55
hmm imagine that the vortex scope won, i knew they made good stuff. thanks for the time and the awesome write ups as usual you do a great service to all of us.

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Posted By: Monster
Date Posted: January/16/2010 at 00:04
Good job on the review Excellent....I would be interested in how the buckmaster compares as mentioned at the end of the write up...

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Posted By: jason miller
Date Posted: January/16/2010 at 11:57
Thanks for doing this.  I'll be interested to see how the Sightron and Redfield compare, if you get to it.


Posted By: MBar308
Date Posted: January/16/2010 at 22:36
awesome write up, would be very interested to see how the buckmaster fairs against the ff II and the diamondback


Posted By: bigo_m
Date Posted: January/16/2010 at 22:41
Thank You very much.  The exact information I was looking for.


Posted By: DAVE44
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 00:18
I wish you had thrown in a Weaver Classic and compared it to the rest. Ive heard it is very good for the money.


Posted By: Shenko
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 10:15
Thanks, Ilya.
Thanks, SWFA.
Wish Vortex (or Burris) would offer a heavy duplex on a few of their scopes.


Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 10:43
After reading your conclusions, it makes me think that companies that have everything riding on their reputation for sport/tactical optics will be a better bet. Nikon has a general reputation for high quality and innovative products (e.g. D90 camera). But perhaps a large company with its fingers in many pots (some of them vastly larger than others) just lets some product lines languish.

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Posted By: 300 ultramag
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 10:51
i think the nikon buckmaster should have been tested it is in that price range


Posted By: tjtjwdad
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 11:52

Ilya,

 

Thanks for all your efforts with this project.  I've done a little of this myself and it is truly time consuming (but fun) and your work here is much appreciated.

 

To all,

 

Nikon is very capable of making some serious optics.  In addition to their DSLR cameras/lens they also make lithography equipment (and they are very competitive too) that is used by many wafer manufacturing companies.  I have no doubt they (and Canon too if they were so inclined) could make scopes that could rival some of the higher end companies (US Optics, Nightforce, Zeiss, Sawrovski) but I guess it all comes down to breaking into this market segma.

 

As far as Nikon's warranty, I had a 6.5-20x44 Monarch scope that threw a reticle and it was replaced with a 6-25x50 brand new, in the wrap, Monarch with no questions asked.  Thats as good as gets in my view.  I would hesitate buying a Nikon refurbed scope because it only has a 90 day warranty, after that, any repairs are on you but otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.

 

Jim 


Posted By: Folically Challenged
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 13:33
Excellent

How refreshing to have a thorough review of so many products, by someone WITH experience, and WITHOUT an axe to grind!  

I hadn't thought that segmentation within the scope market would happen $25 increments.  I found it very interesting to see the "break" in performance levels at $175.00.  Naturally, I'm now really curious to see where the next plateau is:  $225?  $250? $300?   And of course that brings the question of, "what does another $25/$50/$100 get me over this level of scope?".  See what ingrates we are? You do all of this hard work, & we give you more questions than you gave us answers!

I'd also like to express thanks for including the Barska in the test.   With all the buzz about the amazing Chinese binos in the past year, I was eager to see if this scope could hang with the others.  I suppose I'm a bit surprised that it was never in the running.  I've never been inclined to look at one, but that's because I've looked through them & found them wanting.  Rather, I've considered the owners I've met, & determined there wasn't a whole lot of discernment involved when the scope was purchased.

Thanks Again,

FC




Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 14:34
Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

i think the nikon buckmaster should have been tested it is in that price range

The way the original comparison was set up, I was looking for scopes under $200.

Here is the thread with the original discussion:
http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=20723&PID=271979#271979 - http://www.opticstalk.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=20723&PID=271979#271979

ILya


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 14:39
Originally posted by tjtjwdad tjtjwdad wrote:

Ilya,

 

Thanks for all your efforts with this project.  I've done a little of this myself and it is truly time consuming (but fun) and your work here is much appreciated.

 

To all,

 

Nikon is very capable of making some serious optics.  In addition to their DSLR cameras/lens they also make lithography equipment (and they are very competitive too) that is used by many wafer manufacturing companies.  I have no doubt they (and Canon too if they were so inclined) could make scopes that could rival some of the higher end companies (US Optics, Nightforce, Zeiss, Sawrovski) but I guess it all comes down to breaking into this market segma.

 

As far as Nikon's warranty, I had a 6.5-20x44 Monarch scope that threw a reticle and it was replaced with a 6-25x50 brand new, in the wrap, Monarch with no questions asked.  Thats as good as gets in my view.  I would hesitate buying a Nikon refurbed scope because it only has a 90 day warranty, after that, any repairs are on you but otherwise, I wouldn't hesitate to buy one.

 

Jim 

Nikon is definitely capable of making some super glass and does offer it in many products.  I just happened to not like the ProStaff.  I suspect that Buckmaster would be veyr competitive with Fullfield II and Diamondback.

As a side note, Nikon's lithography business is not doing well.  At all.

ILya


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Posted By: tjtjwdad
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 18:17
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

 

As a side note, Nikon's lithography business is not doing well.  At all.

ILya
 
In the semi conductor industry its pretty competitive among the tool suppliers.  I do see a lot of Nikon products but I see a lot of ASML too.  No Canon's here although they're also in that market. 
 
Thanks again for the report.
 
Jim


Posted By: 300 ultramag
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 18:19
ya a sightron s1 is 135 bucks and it would fare well with all of them


Posted By: 300 ultramag
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 18:20
why is this site so anti- nikon


Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 18:49
Far from anti Nikon, Nikon's have received many favorable reviews and comments here.  The only negative thing I've heard about Nikon is their C/S is so so.

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 18:58
Awesome review ILya!!!



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Posted By: Idaho Scot
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 22:15

Good review.  Thanks for the effort.

 
Curious why you left out the Weaver Classic?  Something with the scope or just had too many and needed to narrow it down?


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 22:37
Originally posted by Idaho Scot Idaho Scot wrote:

Good review.  Thanks for the effort.

 
Curious why you left out the Weaver Classic?  Something with the scope or just had too many and needed to narrow it down?

Too many.  I ran a poll on which five "under $200" scopes were of most interest to forum members and compared those.

I linked that thread a few posts before this one.

ILya


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/17/2010 at 22:53
Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

why is this site so anti- nikon

there are quite a few prominent members here who praise nikon highly. i am one of them, im not alone. they get a bad wrap from the cs dept.


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Posted By: SD Dog
Date Posted: January/18/2010 at 09:27
Thanks for the review ILya.

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Posted By: Shenko
Date Posted: January/19/2010 at 13:50
I wonder how the Diamondback would compare to a Bushnell 4200.


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/19/2010 at 13:51
it would get beat, the diamond back competes with the 3200 elite

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/19/2010 at 14:29
ILya, nice write-up, thanks for the hard work.

And thank you to SWFA for providing scopes to test.

I appreciate the inclusion of the Barska, I'll link to this report often.  (The size of the crowd that believes the marketing of Barska and BSA and Countersniper is ever-growing.)


Nice work, much appreciated!


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Posted By: ceylonc
Date Posted: January/20/2010 at 10:25
Great review. Thanks for sharing.


Posted By: DAVE44
Date Posted: January/20/2010 at 11:01
Are the Plex reticles in say the Bushnell Elites and the Vortex Diamond Back similar or does the Vortex Plex reticle have thinner lines. I want to try a Vortex but dont want anything thinner than a Bushnell Plex.


Posted By: biggreen747
Date Posted: January/23/2010 at 23:52
Ilya - Thanks for all the hard work and a well written review. I am sure many of the other "GUN GEEKS" here as my wife likes to call me face the same situation that I often do which is friends/relatives/neighbors asking for suggestions for scopes in this price range. It is nice to have a substantive report from someone like yourself to refer to when dispensing advice. 

While it's always fun for us to compare the latest and greatest high end optics this is probably one of the larger market segments simply because many people cant afford more, many others simply refuse to spend more, and sometimes it's all we really need for a given application. It's good to see new companies like Vortex raising the bar for others to follow in this class.


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Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: January/31/2010 at 18:29
Finally got a chance to read this review.  Great write up as usually.  Thank you ILya!  Was glad to see the Burris FFII do well.  Big fan of that scope.  I love mine.  Well I am a Burris fan, and like all the the Burris equipment.  I got to test a Diamondback a while back too, but not a direct comparison to the 3-9.  I thought it was a good scope.  Nice to see it get a good review.

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 10:16
Great review ILya!  I think the FFII we had did the same thing as far as bending on the outer edges..... which is why I got rid of it.  Don't think I'll be getting another one either.  Disappointed the Redfield didn't do better. 

Not sure why because I've never spent much time with one, but not a fan of the Prostaff..  guess I just wasn't impressed and they seem overpriced.

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Posted By: 300 ultramag
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 10:19
price is a big problem because most guys just wont spend the money on quality optics for me i dont see getting a better bang for your buck than a nikon monarch


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 16:00
Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

price is a big problem because most guys just wont spend the money on quality optics for me i dont see getting a better bang for your buck than a nikon monarch

"Quality Optics" means something different for different people.  Besides, we all have different eyes and prefer different glass.

To use your example of Nikon Monarch: I did not particularly like previous generations Monarch scopes, and I dislike the current one even more (with the exception of the 2-8x32 model).  They just do not work well for me and I can think of quite a few scopes that I like a lot more for similar money.

For quite a few people, $200 is a lot of money to spend on a scope, and this thread was largely for them.

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Posted By: 300 ultramag
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:13
well it dont matter to me what you like i like monarchs and have had good luck with zeiss


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:15
Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

well it dont matter to me what you like i like monarchs and have had good luck with zeiss
Roll Eyes

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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

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Posted By: 300 ultramag
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:15
ok what are the other scopes you like better than a monarch


Posted By: 300 ultramag
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:17
if tasco paid me id say they made good scopes too


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:20
it doesnt matter what i like according to you, and since you know it all i guess it really doesnt matter, and since your asking i happen to have two monarchs on my hunting rifles among other scopes.

nobody here gets paid except maybe barsness and some of the company reps.






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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 21:41
Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

if tasco paid me id say they made good scopes too


What is your point with this statement? Are you saying the O.P. is getting paid by an optics company. To come on with a statement like that gains nothing regarding the topic at hand.
BTW, I happen to like Nikon.

Doug


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/21/2010 at 22:05
Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

if tasco paid me id say they made good scopes too

Noone pays me to review scopes, if that is what you are implying.

You were so busy looking for my ulterior motives, that you totally missed my original point: everyone's eyes are different.  The fact that Monarchs work well for you, does not mean that they will work well for me and vice versa.

I have been reviewing stuff for a little while now and found that my impression correspond well to about 85-90% of the people out there who also looked at the same optics.  The remaining 10-15% usually prefer something different.

ILya


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Posted By: lucytuma
Date Posted: February/22/2010 at 08:28
Nikon has recieved plenty of praise here, while they're not my cup of tea I do beleive they offer good value.  My favorite scopes in the mid-priced catagory are the Zeiss conquest and the leupold VX-3.

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Posted By: jason miller
Date Posted: February/22/2010 at 15:14
Hey Koshkin, did you ever get a chance to compare that Sightron S1 to any of the others?


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/22/2010 at 16:19
Originally posted by jason miller jason miller wrote:

Hey Koshkin, did you ever get a chance to compare that Sightron S1 to any of the others?

Not really. Sightron S1 was not part of the test (I had my hands full anyway).  I would expect it to be competitive with Redfield and ProStaff, but that is just an educated guess.

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Posted By: 300 ultramag
Date Posted: February/22/2010 at 16:22
i truly believe sightron will give them a run for there money all of them


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/22/2010 at 16:55
I have Sightron S1 on a rimfire sitting in a safe.  I will look side by side if I have a chance, but I am pretty sure it is not up to the same level as Diamondback and FFII.

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Posted By: 300 ultramag
Date Posted: February/22/2010 at 18:50
s2


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/22/2010 at 20:11
Originally posted by 300 ultramag 300 ultramag wrote:

s2

I have one of early S2 3-9x42 models and it is indeed better than the scopes in this comparison (although Diamondbacks wide field of view is better than S2).  However, S2 3-9x42 currently runs ~$250, so it is not really an apples to apples comparison.

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Posted By: cowski
Date Posted: February/27/2010 at 17:17
hello koskin how would the team primos compare to these scopes or the s2?

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Posted By: hawgwild73
Date Posted: May/26/2010 at 06:47
I have the Burris Fullfield II and the Nikon ProStaff.  For enexpensive scopes, they have both been great!  I took 2 antelope last year with the Nikon, 1 @ 260 yds & 1 @ 350.  It has a clear crisp picture and little to no "tunnel vision".  The Burris is new and is going on a new 25-06.  So far I love it.


Posted By: tarheal3
Date Posted: June/01/2011 at 23:53
Wow thanks so much! I just bought my first Bolt action (X-Bolt .270) and even though everyone says spend as much on glass, the budget is just not there for now. Maybe later after i have more practice with a scope. Inteneded purpose of the new purchase is mostly at the range but the rifle will see some boar hunting for sure and some deer. I go between cali and Ga so some shots in open spaces and others could be in the brush. That being said is the typical 3-9x40 the best route or should I be considering something else?
 
This is what I've looked at so any thoughts would be great!
 
Bushnell 4200 for $189 3-9x40
 
Vortex Diamondback $199 3-9x40
 
Burris FF II $219 3-9x40.........but also comes with free Binocs 8x32 i think
 
Redfield Revo 3-9x40 $169 acu range
 
Nikon Buckmaster BCR 3-9x40 $219
 
I'm just curious how the buckmaster and the 4200 compare to the rest of this field and for the money the best deal.......
 
Burris comes with free Binocs but would I be better buying the better scope and not get the deal?
 
Opinions on the acu range and BCR as better route?
 
thanks for helping out a newbie bolt guy 


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: June/02/2011 at 15:05
Out of those you have listed the 4200 will be the best optic IMO.  I have a couple of them and think they are very good scopes.  For $190 it is an awesome scope.  I paid $250 and $300 for my two 3-9x 4200s

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: June/03/2011 at 13:14
Originally posted by tarheal3 tarheal3 wrote:

Wow thanks so much! I just bought my first Bolt action (X-Bolt .270) and even though everyone says spend as much on glass, the budget is just not there for now. Maybe later after i have more practice with a scope. Inteneded purpose of the new purchase is mostly at the range but the rifle will see some boar hunting for sure and some deer. I go between cali and Ga so some shots in open spaces and others could be in the brush. That being said is the typical 3-9x40 the best route or should I be considering something else?
 
This is what I've looked at so any thoughts would be great!
 
Bushnell 4200 for $189 3-9x40
 
Vortex Diamondback $199 3-9x40
 
Burris FF II $219 3-9x40.........but also comes with free Binocs 8x32 i think
 
Redfield Revo 3-9x40 $169 acu range
 
Nikon Buckmaster BCR 3-9x40 $219
 
I'm just curious how the buckmaster and the 4200 compare to the rest of this field and for the money the best deal.......
 
Burris comes with free Binocs but would I be better buying the better scope and not get the deal?
 
Opinions on the acu range and BCR as better route?
 
thanks for helping out a newbie bolt guy 

If you can get the Elite 4200 for $189, go for it.

Out of the rest of your options I like the Diamondback and the Buckmaster.

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Posted By: tidmarshsmiths5
Date Posted: November/02/2011 at 19:27
Originally posted by cowski cowski wrote:

hello koskin how would the team primos compare to these scopes or the s2?

koskin...I would love to see your answer because I now own a 4200 and a Nikon Team Primos...trying to decide which rifle they go on now (thinking of moving the 4200 onto the Team Primos platform, the Team Primos to the FFII spot, and FFII spot to a T/C Omega).  I think the 4200 is better than these 2 to my eyes, but the Nikon is extremely crisp (just no rainguard and it will be the last BDC type reticle I ever buy).


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 01:44
Originally posted by tidmarshsmiths5 tidmarshsmiths5 wrote:

Originally posted by cowski cowski wrote:

hello koskin how would the team primos compare to these scopes or the s2?

koskin...I would love to see your answer because I now own a 4200 and a Nikon Team Primos...trying to decide which rifle they go on now (thinking of moving the 4200 onto the Team Primos platform, the Team Primos to the FFII spot, and FFII spot to a T/C Omega).  I think the 4200 is better than these 2 to my eyes, but the Nikon is extremely crisp (just no rainguard and it will be the last BDC type reticle I ever buy).

Since you own both the 4200 and Team Primos, you can decide for yourself which one works better for you.  That is the best way to go.

In my opinion, both of these are better than the scopes in the review that started this thread with Diamondback and FFII acquitting themselves pretty well.

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Posted By: Ник
Date Posted: December/04/2011 at 13:58
Спасибо за отзыв, хорошая работа была проделана. Вортекс тихонечко завоёвывает свое место в Раше.
Удачи!


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: December/04/2011 at 19:27
Originally posted by Ник Ник wrote:

Спасибо за отзыв, хорошая работа была проделана. Вортекс тихонечко завоёвывает свое место в Раше.
Удачи!

Спасибо, Ник!

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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: December/04/2011 at 19:46
Добро пожаловать в OT Ник!

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 07:11
Loco


Posted By: Ник
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 10:18
Bandito Везде свои, приятственно.
And what is it "OT"


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 10:37
Originally posted by Ник Ник wrote:

Bandito Везде свои, приятственно.
And what is it "OT"

ОТ=OpticsTalk.  Он просто транслитерировал абревиацию.

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 10:37
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Loco

Why?


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 10:47
ENGLISH! lol


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 11:03
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

ENGLISH! lol

But if we used English you would understand what we were saying.

That would kinda defeat the whole purpose of using Russian on an English speaking forum...
That would make talking about you behind your back soooo much more complicated Devil

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 11:05

Shocked...............(ILya)Whacker(SVT)



Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 11:16
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Shocked...............(ILya)Whacker(SVT)



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Posted By: stickbow46
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 15:35
Jerry Springer

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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: December/05/2011 at 16:23
Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

Jerry Springer

It won't get that far.  If push comes to shove, I'll talk Dan into stopping by and paying Graham a visit on my behalf.  I know that he always wanted to repeat Wilhelm Tell's famous exploits except Dan would be using his 458 Lott...

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: December/06/2011 at 08:24
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by stickbow46 stickbow46 wrote:

Jerry Springer

It won't get that far.  If push comes to shove, I'll talk Dan into stopping by and paying Graham a visit on my behalf.  I know that he always wanted to repeat Wilhelm Tell's famous exploits except Dan would be using his 458 Lott...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDTDUPZrag - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufDTDUPZrag

ILya
having never met dan and only knowing him and his character through the OT, i'd let him try it, i'd trust him.


Posted By: parkerguns
Date Posted: February/16/2012 at 15:47
Would have been great to see this review have included the Sightron S1 against the Vortex Diamondback as that could have been a real showdown!


Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/20/2012 at 12:02
Originally posted by parkerguns parkerguns wrote:

Would have been great to see this review have included the Sightron S1 against the Vortex Diamondback as that could have been a real showdown!

I have both.  S1 is a good scope for the money, but head to head Diamondback is, in my opinion, a notably better product.

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Posted By: Ship
Date Posted: February/29/2012 at 11:41

Thank you author for review. Much helps at choice of the sight.

 Excuse me, I not well dialect in english.

Илья, у меня пару вопросов близких к теме.

1. Есть ли у Вас опыт с прицелами Vixen? Склоняюсь к покупке Vixen 3-12x40 или Vortex Diamondback 4-12x40. В России они по цене будут примерно одинаковы.

 2. Вопрос по быстросъёмным кольцам. В Вашем обзоре на одной из винтовок прицел закреплён в кольцах Weaver Detachable (Weaver Sure Grip Detachable). Выдерживают эти кольца отдачу и повторяемость при при снятии-установке на винтовках .308 калибра и прицелах весом 370-450гр. Или надёжнее будет взять кольца подороже (Warne Maxima Quick Detach, Leupold QRW, Burris Zee Quick Detatchable)?

 Игорь.

 



Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: February/29/2012 at 11:51
Я никогда не видел прицелы Vixen, поэтому ничего не могу о них сказать.

Надёжнее взять Warne.

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Posted By: Ship
Date Posted: February/29/2012 at 12:00
Спасибо. Ждем новых интересных обзоров.

Игорь.



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