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Topic: Huskemaw optics, holy freak'in hell!
Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Subject: Huskemaw optics, holy freak'in hell!
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 12:21
So I stumbled upon the "Outdoor Channel", a new addition to my cable lineup.  

**First, I should note that this is NOT a product review or based on first-hand experience with said product!

On the show, "Best of the West", they had a "product review" of the Huskemaw optics scope with their custom BDC knob and their 8 MOA windage reticle.

They took about 2 minutes to explain how the reticle and turret work, no math, no complicated formulas.  Where I have a problem is what they said after the explanation:

"With the Huskemaw system, any hunter can dial in and accurately take a 714 yard shot, with no math, no calculations, just dial in and shoot. Easy."

Check your fire!

If your rifle is capable of a 700 yard shot, if you ammo is capable of a 700 yard shot, if your breathing control is capable of a 700 yard shot, if your trigger control is capable of a 700 yard shot, if your parallax is set for a 700 yard shot, if you body position is set for a 700 yard shot, if your cheek weld is set properly for a 700 yard shot, if you wind call is accurate for a 700 yard shot, if your range is called correctly for a 700 yrd shot, if your...

Am I being too stupid?  Am I complicating an incredibly simple thing?

Having fired many weapons at many targets, ranging from point-blank to well over 1,000 yards, I can say with some authority that there is no easy 700 yard shot that "any hunter" can take on game.  Hell, I'd go so far as to say most hunters shouldn't attempt anything over about 300 yards.  There is ethical hunting, and there is this drivel.

I have never used a Huskemaw scope, and never will; not because they suck (they might not) but because their marketing is pure garbage.  Any product that attempts to convince Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill that he can take a 700 yard shot on a living animal - and it will be "easy" - is lying.

I have a great 1,000 yard gun, a very accurate laser rangefinder, the best optics  money can buy,  a Kestrel 4500 for wind calls and atmospheric data, a range card for that rifle and that bullet at that altitude,  and a bullet that can hit with authority at 1,000 yards - and I have made more than a few less-than-perfect shots at 700 yards.

I am curious to know if the scope is decent, but am absolutely certain that their marketing is as disingenuous as a Iranian leader promising me they ain't building an atomic bomb.


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 12:37
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


Having fired many weapons at many targets, ranging from point-blank to well over 1,000 yards, I can say with some authority that there is no easy 700 yard shot that "any hunter" can take on game.  Hell, I'd go so far as to say most hunters shouldn't attempt anything over about 300 yards.  There is ethical hunting, and there is this drivel.

 Any product that attempts to convince Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill that he can take a 700 yard shot on a living animal - and it will be "easy" - is lying.

 
I saw this many years ago before the latest in firearms and optics appeared; too many 100 yd hunters with 400 yd guns. Some of those I've seen at the club shouldn't even shoot at a deer over 40 yds.
The ethics of long range big game hunting comes up around here a bit. I have no problem with the small minority that are qualified to do it. Pushing a product convincing the unkowing that they can make these shots is just as much an ethics issue. I sense your anger too, RC.


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Posted By: Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 13:12
What are you trying to say about me?


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 13:18
Excellent


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 13:24
Originally posted by Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill wrote:

What are you trying to say about me?
 
Nice glasses.....


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 13:32
Originally posted by Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill Bobby-Joe-Bubba-Bill wrote:

What are you trying to say about me?

Welcome to the OT, I hear you couldn't hit sand if you fell off a camel.


An anecdote (excuse me if I have posted this previously):


I hunt with a precision long-range gun.  Strangely, many of my hunting buddies shoot 257 Wby and laugh at my piddly 308 or 300WM.  On more than one occasion, their 257-hit animal has run and my 308-hit animal had dropped on the spot - leading a few newbies to say, "damn, what are you shooting?"

On one hunt last year with 2 friends, one who hunts allot, one who doesn't own a rifle and hunts sparingly, we were in a box before sunrise.  This was a managed land hunt and we were gunning for does and hogs.  Friend 1 (the hunter), using a rifle I built and sold him (literally a 0.25MOA gun out to 600 yards) took the first doe at about 100 yards: bang-flop.
Friend 2 (who borrowed a 270 from me, dropped it while getting in the box, then decided to use Friend 1's 308) had a shot on a doe.  He had a nice supported position in the blind but decided to take the shot (with the 15-pound gun) offhand.  Have I mentioned this is the most accurate 308 I have owned/used?  Topped with a Zeiss Victory FL 6-24, he took the shot at about 40 yards, went for a head-shot, and almost blew the jaw completely off the doe.  She was as confused as were we, and she went down to a second shot a few seconds later.

All that to say this: first rate rifle, my best hand loads, best glass money can buy, simple shot, inexperienced hunter = fail.

For Huskemaw to tell ANYONE a 700 yard shot is easy is an affront to skilled marksman and is a great way to guarantee many animals will die a prolonged and painful death.

Lastly, my favorite 300WM has posted 2.5-inch groups at 600 yards, and I don't take head shots with it.  Why risk it?

Some hunt long range (as did I, in my youth), and that is their decision.  For a company to encourage EVERYONE (who can afford their scope) to do likewise is wrong, no way around it.


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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 14:15
I used to be interested in that concept until I started trying to shoot out past 600 yards and learned more about all those things you mentioned, plus wind. The only reason I do it now is to make the shots at half that distance or less easier. I hunt with a .308 so 300 yards is the limit for elk, maybe 350 to 400 for deer and really haven't had a reason to take a shot that far on either for all the time I've been hunting. I could see shooting a pronghorn out to 400-450 if I was dead sure and the conditions were just right. But 600-1000 is for testing yourself against paper or steel with everything you've got. I've found it humbling.



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Posted By: Dyelynn
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 14:39
ok, so a company sponsored a tv show and the host of said tv show made somewhat outrageous claims about said company's optics.

anyone who is naive enough to get the bulk of their hunting education from television shows on the outdoors channel is probably beyond help.

edited to be less inflamatory.


Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 15:11
Originally posted by Dyelynn Dyelynn wrote:

ok, so a company sponsored a tv show and the host of said tv show made somewhat outrageous claims about said company's optics.

anyone who is naive enough to get the bulk of their hunting education from television shows on the outdoors channel is probably beyond help.

edited to be less inflamatory.
I don't think Rancids post had anything to do with this. The fact that they don't know better as you mentioned is the starting point. The unforgiveable nature of a company to try and sell this crap, not to mention the animals that will suffer as a result, is what he is fed up with. Ok, maybe if we lived in a world where everyone "knew better" but guess what we don't. Someone will go buy that scope and try and take that shot. At the very least we could hope for he doesn't wound the animal not to mention the countless other things he could accidentally shoot. I sell optics every single day and you would be really surprised how many times I hear "I saw on the outdoor channel" so don't discard it immediately. If they had not said "this 700 yard shot would be easy" would people still try and shoot stuff outside of their experience range? Probably. Now they have added fuel to the fire and encouraged the chaos though. The fact that someone promoting the hunting industry insists on promoting it this way disgusts me. I have had this same conversation about people who bring up Huskemaw and I tell them straight up that this is why we do not carry them. They are unethical and outrageously quick to make a penny for the wrong reasons. I never knock optics companies ever, but I wouldn't give them enough credit to justify them as a company period.
 
Edited to add: If everyone already knew everything they needed to know about hunting and optics without outside information, such as forums, tv shows, magazines, this forum among others wouldn't still exist. When someone googles Huskemaw and this comes up I want to make sure they know if they didn't already what I stated above.


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Posted By: bugsNbows
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 15:15
And, if you order right now, we'll throw in two Sham-Wows completely free of charge! Bull feces. 

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 15:21
aren't they the ones who wanted you to prepay back when they first came out?


Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 15:28
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

aren't they the ones who wanted you to prepay back when they first came out?
I think so, but then again I never paid much attention to them other than pointing people in another direction.

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/16/2011 at 17:38
Well stated RC and CF2! 
(With holding "clappy" emoticon for RC's benefit.)  

I'm more than sure Chris and the gang @ SWFA could tell ya some tales "from the sales counter" that could curl your hair. Some of the junk I've witnessed from fellow shooters at the range or at a gun shop who bought into the marketing hype these days is frightening enough for me. 

P.T. Barnum comes to mind.....  


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Posted By: ccoker
Date Posted: August/17/2011 at 23:18
wow, that's utterly ridiculous and hugely irresponsible.
never tried any of their stuff as it just reeks of marketing hype and BS

as my dad says "if it walks like a duck..."




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Posted By: powderburn
Date Posted: August/18/2011 at 07:37
I couldn't agree with you more RC but just look at the posts on this forum saying help me pick out a new scope , I'll be hunting deer and elk up to 600 yds 700yds (pick a number), or my favorites ,the ones that are constantly picking out the best 180 class buck out of a thicket at 400 yds on the dark of the moon. The internet is full of people that have had their equipment cost them numerous chances at trophy class animals at ridiculous ranges and conditions like it is an everyday occurance. Actually I'm surprised that you haven't had a flame war on your hands from the guys that hunt/shoot like that everyday for posting this blasphemous thread.


Posted By: shooter07
Date Posted: August/18/2011 at 08:06
I bet i could use a toilet paper roll tube and do just as well at 700 yards as one of those *cough*countersniper*cough* wannabees!

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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: August/18/2011 at 10:47
That was a well thought out post RC. I routinely practice out to 700 yards, and occasionally 900, and I've not had any of them be "easy". You best have your stuff together when you squeeze the trigger to get good hits. I would not shoot at a game animal at that range, just because I could make a small mistake, and it would equal a big mistake. Like a wounded animal. Congratulations to anyone who can shoot game at 700+ yards, and be absolutely certain to get a clean kill, but I'm guessing that's less than 1% of all hunters. I'm not confident enough to try.

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Posted By: Alan Robertson
Date Posted: August/18/2011 at 21:38
Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

And, if you order right now, we'll throw in two Sham-Wows completely free of charge! Bull feces. 
How much for just the Sham- Wows?


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Posted By: ccoker
Date Posted: August/18/2011 at 21:50
Originally posted by Alan Robertson Alan Robertson wrote:

Originally posted by bugsNbows bugsNbows wrote:

And, if you order right now, we'll throw in two Sham-Wows completely free of charge! Bull feces. 
How much for just the Sham- Wows?


yep, I shoot at 750 and 1K about once a month
off a bench, in a controlled, known distance, enviornment

I can hit a 5" plate consistently at 750 but but it sure doesn't take much wind change to cause a miss

400 yards is about max for what I feel comfortable with on game and that's pushing it under field conditions.  What may one second be 400 might be 450 3 seconds later....

I was taught to pass if you weren't 1000% confident you had the shot and could do a clean 1 shot kill.


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Posted By: WYcoyote
Date Posted: August/18/2011 at 21:57
Best thread I've seen in a long time.
Most of these posts are my sentiments exactly. 
And I like to shoot at extended range.


Posted By: PAPHIL
Date Posted: September/28/2011 at 23:35
I'm new to this forum but not new to shooting and am probably more than a little biased towards Huskemaw . They have served me well.  The scope is not the secret to the Best of the West system. The real overlooked  information is how we arrive at the info printed on the turret. The ballistic program uses your drop information to make a drop chart that fits your bullet. The program will work with any scope ! Most programs, including ours, use the conditions, BC , and velocity to print a drop chart. That is great, if the Velocity and BC are correct. If they are not, the chart doesn't fit the arc at all ranges, especially the longer ranges. We use the first chart to get on paper and then , with an exact 200 yd zero and an exact mid range click count and an exact long range click count, we enter the long range data into the program. After calculating a chart with that information, we compare that chart to the mid range data If the mid range data does not match exactly, the BC must be moved up or down a few points and recalculated, the goal being to make the chart match at both the mid and long range. Once that happens, the chart will be acurate from muzzle to as far as you want to shoot for those conditions. This is printed on the turret along with the wind hold. I totally agree that most hunters are not ready to shoot 1000 yards and what I hope for in the schools is to double a shooters effective range.  Doping the wind , the up or down angle, the changes in elevation and temperature  are quite easy out to 450 or 500 yards , after that it requires a lot of practice and know how. The guys on the show are shooting about 1000 rounds a week breaking in rifles and doing data colection for scope mounts and all shoot very well and are with the hunters on the hunts coaching them all the way. Like it has been said over and over ,don't attempt these shots unless you have proved yourself repeatedly on the target range.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: September/29/2011 at 06:07
Originally posted by PAPHIL PAPHIL wrote:

I'm new to this forum but not new to shooting and am probably more than a little biased towards Huskemaw . They have served me well.  The scope is not the secret to the Best of the West system. The real overlooked  information is how we arrive at the info printed on the turret. The ballistic program uses your drop information to make a drop chart that fits your bullet. The program will work with any scope ! Most programs, including ours, use the conditions, BC , and velocity to print a drop chart. That is great, if the Velocity and BC are correct. If they are not, the chart doesn't fit the arc at all ranges, especially the longer ranges. We use the first chart to get on paper and then , with an exact 200 yd zero and an exact mid range click count and an exact long range click count, we enter the long range data into the program. After calculating a chart with that information, we compare that chart to the mid range data If the mid range data does not match exactly, the BC must be moved up or down a few points and recalculated, the goal being to make the chart match at both the mid and long range. Once that happens, the chart will be acurate from muzzle to as far as you want to shoot for those conditions. This is printed on the turret along with the wind hold. I totally agree that most hunters are not ready to shoot 1000 yards and what I hope for in the schools is to double a shooters effective range.  Doping the wind , the up or down angle, the changes in elevation and temperature  are quite easy out to 450 or 500 yards , after that it requires a lot of practice and know how. The guys on the show are shooting about 1000 rounds a week breaking in rifles and doing data colection for scope mounts and all shoot very well and are with the hunters on the hunts coaching them all the way. Like it has been said over and over ,don't attempt these shots unless you have proved yourself repeatedly on the target range.
Welcome to the OT and thank you for your explanation.  I must say, your comments are much appreciated.  However, they are a little in conflict with the show's presentation, at least some of the original shows.  I quit watching, so cannot comment on any recent presentations.  Your description of the process and attitude is just what I would expect of an ethical, sound operation and I thank you, personally, for your clarification to us all.  Hoooah...


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Posted By: Dale Clifford
Date Posted: September/29/2011 at 10:03
if it walks like a duck
and quacks like a duck
shoot it


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Posted By: Alan Robertson
Date Posted: September/29/2011 at 18:01
Kickboxer nailed it, just like he always does.

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Posted By: Grayghost
Date Posted: July/05/2013 at 18:03
I reviewed the 3x12x42 model. Its a basically a Nikon scope with a very fine reticle that any serious hunter knows will be lost in low light conditions. Clarity is equal to a Nikon and as far as the pretty blue turret... If you've done any shooting at all chances are you've got a range card and know your ammo and drop compensation out to atleast 500 yards. Huskemaw tells you in their silly elementary dvd to print out a range card from their website, zero at 200, shoot out to 475, then move target to 850 yards. They ask that you identify the typical data; BC, load, velocity, and range conditions. So essentially all this company actually does is take all the data you send them and machine a BDC turret that assists the shooter with Yaw.
Leupold has been doing the same thing for years hint hint..... To assume Joe Dirt can take a weapon, mount this scope, and kill the trophy animal of a lifetime at 700 yards is as laughable as calling Obama a president.
Save yourself $800 and buy a Zeiss Rapid Z-600. I have this mounted on a Cooper .223 WSSM and has excellent clarity and reliability. Do not buy the Rapid Z-1000. This reticle requires the scope to be sighted in at a fixed power of say 12x then never change the power or the frontal reticle plain will lose zero and cost you a few $$ in the curse word jar.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: July/05/2013 at 18:10
don't see the need to drag this 2 year old post out of the "dead letter" bin...

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Posted By: Crockett
Date Posted: July/28/2013 at 21:40

I don't mean to be lecturing but I feel this is a really important issue!!!

This might be an old post but if you watch the hunting shows, long rang hunting is all the rage on some of them. Add that to going to gun shows and listening to a LOT of the people buying rifles from the vendors, there's not a lot of knowledgeable people out there! The long range fad added to the lack of knowledge and the anti hunters is a real concern.

I am heavily involved in fighting the animal rights loonies as a Legislative Liaison for a couple of dog clubs. The animal rights loonies will use anything they can to further their agenda -- which is to eventually outlaw all animal ownership as well as to outlaw all hunting. Long range hunting is too easily condemned by the animal rights loonies and we’ll all be lumped into the unethical category by embracing the long range fad.

I understand a lucky few of us are capable of long range hunting but that’s a fantasy for most of us. Most people trying a long range shot (300 or 400+ yards) will either make a clean miss or worse yet, wound the unlucky animal only to die a slow death.

I feel we should all speak up whenever this subject comes up and condemn it as harmful to our passion. 

If you’re capable of making a long rage shot, more power to you! But it’s not something that will be beneficial for us to be encouraging or even talking about because of the lack of knowledge by most hunters – and because of those wacko loonies that are out to stop all hunting and/or to take away our second amendment rights!



Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/03/2013 at 11:49
I have seen most of these "outdoor" shows and the one with husk. always shows the animal dropping in its tracks from what I have seen.
I wonder if the buying of high end optics is reason for that. I have shot a few animals who have dropped in their tracks but, most have run 40-50 yards before expiring.

Curious, if the animal knows if the optic targeting it says husk. swaro, Zeiss, etc. on it. Because, I am sure the the hunters peers know and are looking.
Jones'n is alive and well in the field on the range as well as most parts of everyday life. The sham-wow cures what ales ya.


Posted By: ccoker
Date Posted: August/20/2013 at 12:13
I guess long range hunting needs to be defined.
3-400 isn't long range to me, that's a longer shot but with a decent rifle and glass and a good rest it's cake..  Now, you get past 6-700 then that is what most people consider long range..
Bullet time in flight, wind, etc.. 

Banging steel plates at 1K isn't the same as hunting at 750
I think most people will refrain from making shots they haven't practiced extensively at.
At least I hope so... If you can't bust a clay pidgeon every time at a given distance you shouldn't be shooting that far.



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Posted By: Obi Wan Kenobi
Date Posted: August/20/2013 at 19:52
Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

I have seen most of these "outdoor" shows and the one with husk. always shows the animal dropping in its tracks from what I have seen.
I wonder if the buying of high end optics is reason for that. I have shot a few animals who have dropped in their tracks but, most have run 40-50 yards before expiring.

Curious, if the animal knows if the optic targeting it says husk. swaro, Zeiss, etc. on it. Because, I am sure the the hunters peers know and are looking.
Jones'n is alive and well in the field on the range as well as most parts of everyday life. The sham-wow cures what ales ya.
 
Something that people have to notice about this long range shooting craze. Now in my humble opinion it can be done with relative ease with some practice with big targets. The most important things are high powered scope 14 power or higher, a bullet with a high BC and a steady rest in the prone position. I would suggest using a magnum caliber with a 24 plus inch barrel.
 
Really is shooting at a mature elk at 450-600 yards with a 20x scope laying down & he's perfectly still and has no clue you are there. Is that really impossible to hit inside an 20 inch kill zone?
 
If you look at these guys when they shoot they are using a front tripod and a rear tripod to hold the gun rock solid. That & a high powered scope are the key. Its a huge difference in shooting at something 500 yards away with a 10x sitting in a tree vs  20x laying down flat and steady.
 
That being said my long range is 400 yards I might shoot at an elk or moose at 450. I believe proghorn, deer and sheep the vitals are just too small to be shooting at past 400 yards for the average guy.


Posted By: JGRaider
Date Posted: August/20/2013 at 20:58
Swirling, gusting, inconsistent winds make fools out of the long range experts. 


Posted By: Obi Wan Kenobi
Date Posted: August/20/2013 at 21:36
Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Swirling, gusting, inconsistent winds make fools out of the long range experts. 
 
Yep thats a good point also. Anything over 5 mph boy you are taking a chance.


Posted By: Jon A
Date Posted: August/20/2013 at 22:29
Originally posted by JGRaider JGRaider wrote:

Swirling, gusting, inconsistent winds make fools out of the long range experts. 

Bull.  Posers, Newbies and Wannabes?  Yes.  And unfortunately they vastly outnumber the "experts."

"Experts" in any field, including long range shooting, are by and large humble and realistic about their capabilities.  Because they know enough to know what those who aren't sound like when they're not.

An "Expert" will be the first guy to tell you when a medium or even short range shot--much less a long one--is a low percentage prospect due to the conditions.  They're the ones likely to identify conditions, even the less obvious ones, that make it so.  That's one of the more important skills their vast experience has taught them that can't be learned by buying a new product after watching an infomercial.

Of course many who know little about the subject (even those who once shot a rock at 900 yds and think that means they have a clue what they're talking about) don't know enough to know the difference between the two groups of people--which is where you get comments like the one quoted above.  They're just as wrong as the Newbie who thinks his new Huskemaw makes him a 900yd killer.

Don't get me wrong, no matter how good somebody is he will always be "fooled" occasionally.  But that's something entirely different than "being made a fool."


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Posted By: ccoker
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 08:49
Jon, I appreciate you response.
A smart guy knows his limitations and when a good shot can be made or not.
An ethical experienced hunter is one who listens to that inner voice and lets the game walk for another day.

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Posted By: JGRaider
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 09:39
Should have known to write "experts", or "so called experts" which is what I meant, so Jon A is right in that regard.  With the media exposure, marketing, etc nowadays LR hunting is made to look too easy.   


Posted By: ccoker
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 10:35
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Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 12:35
Ya betcha!
The brand is everything. Swaro, Zeiss, Huskemaw, etc. means dead game! Materialism is the be all end all when it comes to optics ~ people should know their place in this world!


Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 13:34
Furthermore, you snooze you loose if don't listen to the "perts". The name on the gear is where its at. Thought speak is wisdom with a different name so listen to the "perts". ~ the thought speak and Soylent Green are there free for all some just don't know any better sad but true.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 14:36
Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

Ya betcha!
The brand is everything. Swaro, Zeiss, Huskemaw, etc. means dead game! Materialism is the be all end all when it comes to optics ~ people should know their place in this world!

You seem to be entirely missing the point of this thread: Huskimaw is a name without capabilities, they do not belong in the same category as Swaro or Zeiss.  All 3 are pricey, no doubt, but spending doesn't equal getting quality.

Brand is most definitely not everything.  I have a few SS scopes (made by SWFA) that I consider great quality, but nowhere near "brand" recognition - or price - of Swaro or Zeiss or others.

Most people are sheep, marketing works, Huskemaw is proof of this.  Then there's the idiot at the range that says "spending more than $300 on a scope is a waste" and his target at 100 yards looks like he shot it at 20 yards with 12 gauge bird shot.

There is very good quality inexpensive glass and there is very expensive crap; the trick is knowing which is which.  Many here have experience with both.  You don't have to listen, or even agree, it's your money, proceed accordingly.


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Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 15:18
Rancid ~ is it?
Are you really "Rancid Coolaid" or just like calling yourself that.
I don't think I have missed the point or maybe I have. Why I brought up Oakley they known for the pieces of plastic you put on your face but, also put their name on backpacks, clothing and such. Just like GNC they don't "make" any of these things they sell with their brand on them they just go with lowest bidder making "their brand" ~ smoke and mirrors for the hip.

If the shepherds can herd the sheep in their direction more power to them. All for it capitalism is a great thing and what throngs don't know will not hurt them.

If it feels good do it ~ is that how it goes. The bling is what gets noticed and whether it is any better or not does not matter ~ no one is going to have any confidence in perceived junk from peers.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 15:39
I've always enjoyed the phrase, "With all due respect", since respect is earned - and you have earned exactly zero. So, with all due respect...

I think you are trying to sound intelligent and insightful, it isn't working.  Are you really asking me if I am coolaid?  And where Oakley came into this, I know not, but the point has been, from the beginning, name means far less than a tool's function for a given task.

I don't care what name is on a scope if the scope does what I need it do to.  Likewise, I don't care what name is on a scope if it does NOT do what I need.

We aren't talking about capitalism or feeling good, I began this thread to talk about a scope that made marketing statements that were inaccurate and disingenuous.

Thus far, your comments have made no salient point - and you've brought nothing of worth to the conversation.  What GMC and Oakley have to do with the conversation is tangential at best, more likely they are your preferred rants to make some point, but I'll be damned if it matters.


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Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 16:08
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

I've always enjoyed the phrase, "With all due respect", since respect is earned - and you have earned exactly zero. So, with all due respect...



And keep the change.....

PC....The clock is ticking on your stay here, Sir. 



Take a chill pill and quit acting like a troll, or you will be treated as such. 


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 16:11
"PC4life" --
Are you REALLY "pc4life" or an impostor?

Is there a particular reason you're repeating the same themes in multiple threads? Do you have a beef with someone in particular? Are you implying that OT members buy stuff based on perceived brand prestige or the need to impress others? What's the agenda here?

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Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 16:29
He's typing his reply right now.......

I wonder how this all turns out. Whatever


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 16:31
Tick...tock...tick...tock.....Big Grin

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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 16:37
Bang!!!

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It is the same when you are stupid.


Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 16:43
Na, I think all of these firearm and optics companies have done a wonderful job of capitalizing on the perceived difference between marketing and brand loyalty ~ separating the crowd with the crowd.

Saying that any equipment is only as good as the genetics of the eyes/brain behind them ~ not a good sales pitch.

That is where the outstanding sales genius's show their worth ~ gotta have the bling to mean anything in the world of long range shoot'n.

Fast talk, catchy lines and perceived koolness are the future in a tired "reality" driven market which is need something fresh ~ too bad "fresh" seems to be following the sheep.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 16:50
You do know ~ means gay right. ;)

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 17:01
Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

Na, I think all of these firearm and optics companies have done a wonderful job of capitalizing on the perceived difference between marketing and brand loyalty ~ separating the crowd with the crowd.

Saying that any equipment is only as good as the genetics of the eyes/brain behind them ~ not a good sales pitch.

That is where the outstanding sales genius's show their worth ~ gotta have the bling to mean anything in the world of long range shoot'n.

Fast talk, catchy lines and perceived koolness are the future in a tired "reality" driven market which is need something fresh ~ too bad "fresh" seems to be following the sheep.


So, are you planning to keep reciting these same cryptic themes in every thread from this point forward, or are you planning to eventually crystallize your thoughts into salient points that directly relate to the topics being discussed?


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Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 17:12
Na, just saying what I think from day to day being an individual you may or may not understand ~ its a jeep thing.

I love capitalizing on the marketing business ~ love what you do never have to work a day in your life.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 17:18
Loading......

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 17:35
Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

Na, I think all of these firearm and optics companies have done a wonderful job of capitalizing on the perceived difference between marketing and brand loyalty ~ separating the crowd with the crowd.

Saying that any equipment is only as good as the genetics of the eyes/brain behind them ~ not a good sales pitch.

That is where the outstanding sales genius's show their worth ~ gotta have the bling to mean anything in the world of long range shoot'n.

Fast talk, catchy lines and perceived koolness are the future in a tired "reality" driven market which is need something fresh ~ too bad "fresh" seems to be following the sheep.

Lucky for me, I don't sell optics.

You seem enthralled with the "crowd" and with your success at being somehow different - above it.  Truth be told, one of you wanders in a few times a year, flails around for a bit, then wanders out to be a hipster elsewhere; it's no big deal, you'll be gone soon.

I've looked at a few of your others posts, seems to be the same drivel.  As for the "bling", it is back to tools: right tool for the job.  There are no limit of mall ninjas and super secret squirrel commando delta black ops airsoft types who buy for name recognition, but they don't tend to stay around too long, they have the same 3 or 4 catch phrases that they think are cool, and once those are played out, they wander off somewhere else to use their catch phrases on a new bunch.

Not one scope I own is possessed for the purpose of impressing you - or anyone else.

I do find humor in your "fast talk, catchy lines" thing, since that seems to be about the depth of your contributions thus far.

Carry on.


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Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 17:41
Rancid, So true.
Its all about the here and now, the fast fix ~ that why we don't have a chance with the new and next generation ~ as bugs says that's all folks.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 17:48
Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

Na, just saying what I think from day to day being an individual you may or may not understand ~ its a jeep thing.

I love capitalizing on the marketing business ~ love what you do never have to work a day in your life.


That's great and all... we all appreciate original thinking and folks loving what they do... but most people also tend to prefer conversing with folks who demonstrate the ability to engage in 2-way dialogue in good faith and who don't repeat the same cryptic references over and over again.


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Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 17:49
Ranging......

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Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 17:54
Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

Na, just saying what I think from day to day being an individual you may or may not understand ~ its a jeep thing.

I love capitalizing on the marketing business ~ love what you do never have to work a day in your life.


That's great and all... we all appreciate original thinking and folks loving what they do... but most people also tend to prefer conversing with folks who demonstrate the ability to engage in 2-way dialogue in good faith and who don't repeat the same cryptic references over and over again.


Yes, most times. We are taking marketing no, fast talk and chatter thought I would get into character ~ ask no questions I will tell you no lies.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 18:00


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Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 18:05
Don't the thinking heads of state in the firearms and optics world like in the auto industry jump ship from time to time ~ fresh'n up old tired marketing to the "new" must have bling.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 18:25
Press check......

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 18:27
Rules of Engagement #8. 

8.  SWFA's OpticsTalk forum is a peaceful community of like minded shooting, hunting and outdoors enthusiasts.  Open minded, logical, rational debates are healthy and welcome.  Close minded, agenda pushing, strong handed debates (bordering on arguments) to prove one's position or point simply for the sake of winning or to gain some perceived power are not welcome.


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Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 18:29
A scope and bolt rifle reinventing the wheel that is a tough nut to crack marketing speaking ~ the bigger and better deal who's to say.

Christmas trees, this and that coating, ranging knobs, no fault warranty, etc. ~ composite, stainless, ultralight, featherweight, carbon fiber, non glare stainless,etc. all fun stuff, love it ~ time to expand Webster's.



Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 18:35
Sir, your wasting the forums bandwidth with your asinine commentary. 

Please stop, or you will be banned for violating ROE #8 and for making an ass out of your self on this forum and wasting our time.

PLEASE DESIST to prevent aforementioned banning.   
 


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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 19:21
Originally posted by pc4life pc4life wrote:

A scope and bolt rifle reinventing the wheel that is a tough nut to crack marketing speaking ~ the bigger and better deal who's to say.

Christmas trees, this and that coating, ranging knobs, no fault warranty, etc. ~ composite, stainless, ultralight, featherweight, carbon fiber, non glare stainless,etc. all fun stuff, love it ~ time to expand Webster's.






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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: August/21/2013 at 22:08
Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:





Meow that's funny.


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Posted By: hydra7
Date Posted: August/22/2013 at 08:22

Did you just Meow him? Cause Meow would be the time.



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Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/22/2013 at 22:07
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

You do know ~ means gay right. ;)


I missed this post ~     
"The character ~ is colloquially used in written form in some areas of the UK to denote sleazy, sordid, or otherwise base behaviour.
~ can also cover flirtatious behaviour with the opposite sex: you are never ~ with the same sex.
An ability to ~ is generally viewed as being a positive personality trait, unless it is used on a friend's mother, grandmother, or domestic animal. Being ~ to a friend's sister is usually acceptable.
The vast majority of the world's virgins, comic book fanatics, computer scientists, and train spotters wish they had some ~."


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: August/22/2013 at 22:15
This ain't the UK this is the OT and ~ has be designated as gay

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Posted By: pc4life
Date Posted: August/22/2013 at 22:19
That it is ~ the is passing me by.


Posted By: Alan Robertson
Date Posted: August/22/2013 at 23:27
Looks like this thread has entered into the land of BS, which is where I figured the topic was headed, due to the thread title. Huskemaw? Naw.


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: August/22/2013 at 23:29
Rustic my boy you ain't fooling no one

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"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 06:27
PC4life has left the building.....Thanks for playing. 




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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 07:16
Bucky

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: August/23/2013 at 12:43


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Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: hydra7
Date Posted: August/24/2013 at 10:02
Nice picture there RD! Exactly my taste.

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Posted By: Springbok
Date Posted: October/10/2013 at 17:40
Saw a hi dollar Huskemaw fail on a 7mm Rem magnum. It seems like it couldn't take the recoil while the gun was sitting in a lead sled. My Leupy takes more than that with a smokeless ML.


Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: October/10/2013 at 18:57


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Date Posted: October/12/2013 at 11:43



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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: October/12/2013 at 13:08
Does get a life mean anything??


Posted By: captainemil
Date Posted: November/22/2018 at 11:05
I have to say the first time I saw that show, I thought WOW, no way. But talking to the folks at Best of the west, Back in Arron Davidson day, and watching a few videos and doing exactly what was said to do and how, I was able to make longer shots than normal. Anyone can do this , IF YOU FOLLOW DIRECTIONS. I have not shot an animal in the last few years thats less than 300 yds, NOR  have I lost one either, not saying I have not missed because I have missed plenty of times, But with each miss I gained more knowledge for missing. I will say pick your shot, think about how you can make this happen. If you can't , there will be another time.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: November/24/2018 at 21:47
If you are taking shots on game - and missing, you are doing it very wrong.

I could probably take high confidence shots on game at 500+ yards, but a small mistake on my part would mean a miserable and prolonged death for the animal, so I don’t do that.

If your misses give you information, I hope that information includes a small voice saying “Stop sucking, else someone/something else will pay a heavy price.”

I hunt much more now than I did when this thread began, and am more convinced that hunters should limit their shots to what they have experience and confidence doing well - which is to say, 100 yards tops for most hunters.

Gear that gives you confidence you have not earned is never a good thing in my opinion.

I still hate Huskemaw.

I’ve seen a few now, and never been impressed with the shooter or shooting that accompanied them. I have yet to see confidence well earned shooting a Huskemaw. It has always, the few times, been an idiot that wanted to fly before he could crawl.

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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: tejas
Date Posted: November/25/2018 at 14:57
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

If you are taking shots on game - and missing, you are doing it very wrong.

I could probably take high confidence shots on game at 500+ yards, but a small mistake on my part would mean a miserable and prolonged death for the animal, so I don’t do that.



If your misses give you information, I hope that information includes a small voice saying “Stop sucking, else someone/something else will pay a heavy price.”



I hunt much more now than I did when this thread began, and am more convinced that hunters should limit their shots to what they have experience and confidence doing well - which is to say, 100 yards tops for most hunters.

Gear that gives you confidence you have not earned is never a good thing in my opinion.

I still hate Huskemaw.

I’ve seen a few now, and never been impressed with the shooter or shooting that accompanied them. I have yet to see confidence well earned shooting a Huskemaw. It has always, the few times, been an idiot that wanted to fly before he could crawl.



Agreed. Technology can’t replace practice or experience.

Who’s the most disliked, Counter Sniper or Huskemaw?


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: November/26/2018 at 09:20
Funny question, Tejas. I had all but forgotten the Counter Sniper.

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: November/26/2018 at 10:04
 Oh, easy win there: Countersniper.

Huskemaw, as best I can tell, makes a functional scope that is marketed in a disingenuous way. Countersniper was a complete fraud, calling something a government contract over-run that was no such thing.  Didn't they get shut down by some government agency over their lies and fabrications?

To reiterate: Huskemaw might be a good scope, it might be awesome - and should be, given the price; but the marketing is dishonest.  I don't care how good a thing is, if you lie to me to sell it, I'm never interested.




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Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.



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