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Topic: .270 vs. 308
Posted By: LRSMike
Subject: .270 vs. 308
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 12:18
I know that there a lot of variations with ammo for the 308, but what round is superior in ballistics?




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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 12:37
factory or hand loaded?


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Posted By: LRSMike
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 15:34
Hand-loaded I'll be fully up in business in January with everything I need. I'll probably buy a box of Barnes to start of with, then hopefully get into hand-loads.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 15:41
The 30 cal has a better bullet selection. 

So if you are doing a lot of target shooting go with the .308.  If it is just for hunting and plinking it won't matter much.

My pick would be the .308 for the bullet selection and the fact it is a short action.


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Posted By: LRSMike
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 15:44
Is that against all three variations of a 270? I know there is a weatherby, a wsm, and a winchester for the .270 caliber.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 15:48
The match bullet selection just is not there with the 27 caliber.  So IMO it is not in the same league as the .308 for target shooting in any form.  The 26, 28 and 30 cals just have a better selection in that regard. 

There are a few selections, but they are more light weight bullets and just won't work as well for long range target shooting. 

But again for hunting the .270 is a great round.  Typical deer and even elk the .270 does the job well.


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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 16:42
If you are looking into all variations of a .277 round, I'd say the WSM is a pretty fair bet. While it doesn't have the punch of the .270 Wby, it comes at a lower cost, retains a short action, and pushing a 150 gr. Berger VLD with a .531 b.c. at 3150 fps, in my opinion, it'll put the hurt on any .308 load out there. The standard .270 Win. has fewer advantages, but it's still a great round, and one I'd probably take over a .308, but I'm kinda partial to the .277 calibers to begin with.
 
I would like to own a .270 wby pushing a 150 Berger at 3200 plus though.


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Posted By: LRSMike
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 18:00
So for targeting and general hunting, without bias, the 308 is better? 

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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 20:44
Reasons for .308 -
- short action -
- get ammo anywhere -
- cheap -
- selection -
- light weight -
- low recoil -
- accurate -
- proven -
- not an barrel burner -
 
The .270 is a great cartridge no doubt but, I think the .308 has more going for it.


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Posted By: jjrgr21
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 21:16
i've got both and like 308 better, cheaper to load and easier to find factory


Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: November/03/2011 at 22:14
There are better bullets ballistically speaking for chamberings in 7mm or .284 but as mentioned there are lots of reasons to go with a .308. One bullet I really like now for target shooting is the mag-length seatable Berger 175 gr. OTM. I have nothing against Barnes but they have never suited my requirements of having high BC bullets. I use 165 gr. Nosler Accubonds for hunting.

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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 07:24
I still say no. The .308 is a great round. No doubt about that, but its not the end-all-be-all that it's made out to be. It is a very accurate round, that's easy to tune, and load for, but it's not the greatest long range cartrige ever made like so many think. My thinking is that the military uses it, so it MUST be the greatest......Like the Rem. 700.
 
Here is what I get for ballistics on 3 different cartriges.
.308- 175gr. Berger VLD 2750 fps muzzle velocity
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mach Energy Time Lead Lead
(yd) (in) (MOA) (in) (MOA) (ft/s) (none) (ft•lbs) (s) (in) (MOA)
0 -1.6 *** 0.0 *** 2750.0 2.463 2938.1 0.000 0.0 ***
100 1.8 1.7 0.7 0.6 2566.4 2.299 2558.9 0.113 19.9 19.0
200 -0.0 -0.0 2.8 1.3 2390.1 2.141 2219.4 0.234 41.2 19.7
300 -7.9 -2.5 6.5 2.1 2220.7 1.989 1916.0 0.364 64.1 20.4
400 -22.9 -5.5 12.0 2.9 2058.2 1.844 1645.9 0.505 88.8 21.2
500 -46.1 -8.8 19.5 3.7 1902.9 1.704 1406.8 0.656 115.5 22.1
600 -79.0 -12.6 29.2 4.6 1755.4 1.572 1197.1 0.820 144.4 23.0
700 -123.1 -16.8 41.3 5.6 1616.5 1.448 1015.2 0.999 175.7 24.0
800 -180.6 -21.6 56.2 6.7 1487.6 1.332 859.8 1.192 209.8 25.0
900 -253.8 -26.9 74.0 7.9 1370.2 1.227 729.4 1.402 246.8 26.2
1000 -345.5 -33.0 94.9 9.1 1266.0 1.134 622.7 1.630 286.9 27.4
 
.270 WSM- 150 gr. Berger VLD 3150 fps muzzle velocity
Range Drop Drop Windage Windage Velocity Mac

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Posted By: lumberjack149
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 09:18
My 2 cents.
I dont think anybody is going to flame away on you, nor disagree with the information you presented. To answer the original question, i think everybody will agree that the .270 has superior ballistics to a .308 at all ranges when handloaded. Youre comparing apples and oranges. I think what most people where pointing out is the .308 should also get the job done with greater selection, easier on your check book and on your shoulder.
If he was going to buy one box of ammo a year to go elk hunting then it doesnt matter, go ahead and get the .270 for the extra umphff, otherwise my vote goes for the .308... or get both, problem solved.


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 09:32
The most "popular" and common .308 rounds are not optimal for best performance of 30 cal.  A 180gr bullet is "middle of the road" for 30 cal.  Build me a high BC 220-250gr round for 30 cal and I can destroy "performance" of the 270.  
270 is an abomination.  All 270 materiel should be melted down and converted to something useful...



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Posted By: LRSMike
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 10:16
I'm not worried about the shoulder, it handles my .300 win just fine. What I'm not looking for is a huge amount of money spent for ammunition for reloading, since above said rifle is expensive enough as it (factory) for what my gun likes. I know there shouldn't be a huge difference in recoil between the two, but I could be wrong.

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 10:22
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

The most "popular" and common .308 rounds are not optimal for best performance of 30 cal.  A 180gr bullet is "middle of the road" for 30 cal.  Build me a high BC 220-250gr round for 30 cal and I can destroy "performance" of the 270.  
270 is an abomination.  All 270 materiel should be melted down and converted to something useful...

230gr berger.
 
 


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Posted By: Dyelynn
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 10:34
imho you're looking at it wrong.  you should be comparing the .308 to a 30.06, rather than the .270.  and if you're looking at the magnum variations of the 270, you need to compare them to the magnum 30s... like the 300wsm, 300win, 300wby, ect.  not to mention the 270wsm and the 7mm rem mag are pretty damn close in ballistics, but you'll find 7mm ammo much easier.

if you're handloading, as you said you may be in the near future, either one would be just fine.

however, the 308/7.62x51, or a 5.56/223 is one rifle everyone should own... for ease of ammo acquisition once the zombie invasion  happens.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 10:42
IMO, the problem with any of the magnums like the 270 WSM and Weatherby is the larger amounts of powder.  They just burn things up quicker.  3200 fps sounds great, but that speed comes at a cost. 

With a good quality barrel you can easily get 6000+ plus rounds out of a .308.  They say barrels like Gary Schniders you can get 10,000+ and they are still accurate. 

I bet with a 270 WSM or a Weatherby 3000+ would be pushing it.  Most shooters are budget minded so calibers like the 223 rem, 260, 7mm-08, .308 make a lot more sense. 

I guess if a person is not a high volume shooter then that aspect of things would not hold as much weight. 

I find myself shooting my ARs more than anything because of the cost and because it is so easy for me to rebarrel them when needed.  I will go out and shoot 300 or 400 rounds in one day with a couple of them.  The non magnum calibers just make a lot more sense to me in that regard. 


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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 11:30
The gunsmith in my town said the 270WSM along with all the WSMs are the best "business" he has had in all of his years of gunsmithing. Due to all the repairs that the high pressures and speeds "wildcat" cartridges do to rifles. Plus he has never been a fan of belted mags for accuracy.
I don't think there is really anything wrong with any of them just the .308 has more going for it(see list above). More speed does not necessarily mean more accuracy most cases the opposite is true. For the reloader(I don't) the .308 must be as go as it gets:
large and cheap bullet selection
small amount of powder for basically 30-06 ballistics
low pressures on the brass
light weight
all kinds of literature
 
I don't any draw back with the .308 where as there maybe some be drawback with everything else but, then again it is whatever a person "wants". Nothing wrong with that whats so ever.
 
If pure ballistics are all that matter -- the king has been around since 1944 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_Weatherby_Magnum - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_Weatherby_Magnum
Or an upgrade -- introduced in 1996 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-378_Weatherby_Magnum - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30-378_Weatherby_Magnum
 
There always seems to be something better --- I look at all things considered.


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Posted By: LRSMike
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 11:56
What about a 7mm-08? I just read about them a little, and it seems to be a great round also, anyone have their two cents on this?

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 11:58
It is a great round.  .308 necked down to a 28 cal.  With the 140s it is a great hunting round.  For long range shooting the Hornady 162 Amax and the Sierra 168 smk will both be great rounds.

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Posted By: LRSMike
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 14:18

Is there any more info I could get on this ballistically? Besides the .284 probably being the best round, I'm guessing between the .270 and .308 caliber range, is the only difference between the 7mm-08 and the 7mm rem mag is the casing, powder and bullet?



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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 14:25
You can shoot the same exact bullets.  The 7 mag has about 300 fps on the -08.  The mag has a belt on it that will make reloading a bit more difficult.  Doable, just more difficult.  I reload a 7 mag for an auto loader and it works just fine.


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Posted By: Sgt. D
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 14:49
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

The most "popular" and common .308 rounds are not optimal for best performance of 30 cal.  A 180gr bullet is "middle of the road" for 30 cal.  Build me a high BC 220-250gr round for 30 cal and I can destroy "performance" of the 270.  
270 is an abomination.  All 270 materiel should be melted down and converted to something useful...

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KB!!!
Say it ain't so!!
I'm injured!! Bleedin even. Out of your vast experience and wisdom a hater of the 270. Surely you missed Trigger's post containing facts and wisdom in this same thread. Man!! The shock. Don't you know the only reason the military isn't useing the 270 is budget and polotics (I jest).
But, seriously the 270 is a great round and in the wsm a strong competitor for the bullet wts. it is offered in. It is the bullet of choice for those of us who want something away from what everyone else is doing. The 30-06 the 308 though well able to hold their own are generally a dime a dozen but the 270. Now you've got something that covers full spectrum varmint to elk just as well and in a narrow field better than it's competing 30cal bullets (revelant wt. class).
And as you said, if you want optimal performance from a 30 cal. Load a 220+ round in your 300wm and you've got ultimate performance. But now your along way from a 308.
 
Give me a day or so and I'll be over this deep cut. Still luv ya man just wasn't expecting that left hook. (again I jest).
 


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 14:51
WSM's don't have belts. Belts have never given me problems for accuracy. I head space on the shoulder with reloads.
The 7mm RM used to own the 1000 yard record at Wimbledon.


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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 15:46
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

The most "popular" and common .308 rounds are not optimal for best performance of 30 cal.  A 180gr bullet is "middle of the road" for 30 cal.  Build me a high BC 220-250gr round for 30 cal and I can destroy "performance" of the 270.  
270 is an abomination.  All 270 materiel should be melted down and converted to something useful...

By the time you ram a 220-250 gr. bullet into a .308 case there is no room left for powder...... If I was going to handicap myself by shooting something so slow, I'd just take my Hoyt.  Bucky
 
I see your point of heavier .30 cal bullets, and shoot them myself, but in something that has the powder capacity to push them. Mike already has a .300 Win that he could load these in. Loading something this heavy in a .308 case would make them too slow to compete with even the stupid, abomination, junk .270 Win.


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Posted By: Sgt. D
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 15:57
Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

The most "popular" and common .308 rounds are not optimal for best performance of 30 cal.  A 180gr bullet is "middle of the road" for 30 cal.  Build me a high BC 220-250gr round for 30 cal and I can destroy "performance" of the 270.  
270 is an abomination.  All 270 materiel should be melted down and converted to something useful...

By the time you ram a 220-250 gr. bullet into a .308 case there is no room left for powder...... If I was going to handicap myself by shooting something so slow, I'd just take my Hoyt.  Bucky
 
I see your point of heavier .30 cal bullets, and shoot them myself, but in something that has the powder capacity to push them. Mike already has a .300 Win that he could load these in. Loading something this heavy in a .308 case would make them too slow to compete with even the stupid, abomination, junk .270 Win.
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Darn Trigger, I just got the bleedin stopped and you go playin around. Stay with me brother! Ouch


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Posted By: LRSMike
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 16:11
What is this "belt" you speak of? Is there a website dedicated to reloading specs and ballistics?

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 16:19
Yea, I'm actually talking 30-06... just wanted to raise the ire of the easily perturbed .270 fan club...

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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 16:33
The problem with .30-cal projectiles is that to match the ballistic characteristics of smaller calibers you have to go up in weight. When you do that, you start to bump into problems with recoil and control over the rifle. Some shooters are more immune to this than others. But consider the weight of the average shooter and the average rifle and it may make more sense to go with a smaller caliber. If you handload then as long as you have a reasonable selection of projectiles and some good brass there's no reason not too.

I've standardized on .308 Win because I've found that for my shooting there are high-BC projectiles in th 165-175 gr. range that strike a good balance between ballistics and recoil. The .308 does what I want it to do out to some pretty impressive ranges. I don't care about drops because that's what target turrets are for. However, when it comes to wind a comparable 7mm-80 load would probably have 7-10" less drift @ 500 yards in a 20 mph wind. When I rebarrel these long-life barrels someday I may rechamber to 7mm-08. But that would really only be if I was dissatisfied with .308. I haven't gotten there yet.

I guess I'd say the .308 Win has proven to be a good all-purpose cartridge. easily handled by most shooters and has a lot going for it. I have nothing bad to say about the .270 but did notice there don't seem to be a ton of projectiles around for it with high BCs. I'd consider a 7mm-08.


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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 16:44
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Yea, I'm actually talking 30-06... just wanted to raise the ire of the easily perturbed .270 fan club...
The .270 is the only good thing that ever came out of that case............Devil
 
You couldn't give me an -06.........


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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 16:54
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

WSM's don't have belts. Belts have never given me problems for accuracy. I head space on the shoulder with reloads.
The 7mm RM used to own the 1000 yard record at Wimbledon.
I know WSM's don't have belts I was talking about the .257 WBY, .300 WBY, 7mm RM and .338 WM and so on. I was just say'n some gunsmiths don't like belted magnums for accuracy.


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Posted By: rustic
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 17:00
The .308 is perfectly fine for prairie dogs to brown bears here in North America. With somthing like a barnes ttsx it will do very little damage to hides/meat to.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 17:11
Originally posted by trigger29 trigger29 wrote:

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Yea, I'm actually talking 30-06... just wanted to raise the ire of the easily perturbed .270 fan club...
The .270 is the only good thing that ever came out of that case............Devil
 
You couldn't give me an -06.........

Why would I want to waste a good rifle???


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 17:14
Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

The problem with .30-cal projectiles is that to match the ballistic characteristics of smaller calibers you have to go up in weight. When you do that, you start to bump into problems with recoil and control over the rifle. Some shooters are more immune to this than others. But consider the weight of the average shooter and the average rifle and it may make more sense to go with a smaller caliber. If you handload then as long as you have a reasonable selection of projectiles and some good brass there's no reason not too.

I've standardized on .308 Win because I've found that for my shooting there are high-BC projectiles in th 165-175 gr. range that strike a good balance between ballistics and recoil. The .308 does what I want it to do out to some pretty impressive ranges. I don't care about drops because that's what target turrets are for. However, when it comes to wind a comparable 7mm-80 load would probably have 7-10" less drift @ 500 yards in a 20 mph wind. When I rebarrel these long-life barrels someday I may rechamber to 7mm-08. But that would really only be if I was dissatisfied with .308. I haven't gotten there yet.

I guess I'd say the .308 Win has proven to be a good all-purpose cartridge. easily handled by most shooters and has a lot going for it. I have nothing bad to say about the .270 but did notice there don't seem to be a ton of projectiles around for it with high BCs. I'd consider a 7mm-08.

The 30-06 is very nearly a "girly gun", unlike the .270 which IS  a girly gun.  My sister shoots one...


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 17:18
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

The problem with .30-cal projectiles is that to match the ballistic characteristics of smaller calibers you have to go up in weight. When you do that, you start to bump into problems with recoil and control over the rifle. Some shooters are more immune to this than others. But consider the weight of the average shooter and the average rifle and it may make more sense to go with a smaller caliber. If you handload then as long as you have a reasonable selection of projectiles and some good brass there's no reason not too.

I've standardized on .308 Win because I've found that for my shooting there are high-BC projectiles in th 165-175 gr. range that strike a good balance between ballistics and recoil. The .308 does what I want it to do out to some pretty impressive ranges. I don't care about drops because that's what target turrets are for. However, when it comes to wind a comparable 7mm-80 load would probably have 7-10" less drift @ 500 yards in a 20 mph wind. When I rebarrel these long-life barrels someday I may rechamber to 7mm-08. But that would really only be if I was dissatisfied with .308. I haven't gotten there yet.

I guess I'd say the .308 Win has proven to be a good all-purpose cartridge. easily handled by most shooters and has a lot going for it. I have nothing bad to say about the .270 but did notice there don't seem to be a ton of projectiles around for it with high BCs. I'd consider a 7mm-08.

The 30-06 is very nearly a "girly gun", unlike the .270 which IS  a girly gun.  My sister shoots one...

Guess I should add that in one day she shot 7 hogs... all shots were "in the eye".  My BIL made her quit shooting hogs... he was tired of dressing them... "skin this one Pilgrim and I'll bring you another..."


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 20:34
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

The 30-06 is very nearly a "girly gun", unlike the .270 which IS  a girly gun.  My sister shoots one...
Don't you mean the .308? Man, you are so mean when you're drunk like that. Kicking empty .458 Lott casings in my face while I'm trying to talk to my girlfriend about her .243.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 20:46
Nah, nah, nah....


I was only kidding... well, trying to start trouble...


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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 22:00
270 Winchester and 308 Winchester?
 
When given those choices, the answer is simple:
 
7-08 Remington.
 
For target, hunting, and general fun; it is a fantastic cartridge.


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 22:17
Hey Mike, I found you the perfect 7mm-08.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2880890#Post2880890 - http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2880890#Post2880890


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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 22:27
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hey Mike, I found you the perfect 7mm-08.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2880890#Post2880890 - http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2880890#Post2880890


Sweeet rif...   Yikes

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 22:29
Why would anyone spend all that money on 7mm08?  Doesn't make sense to me...

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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 22:41
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hey Mike, I found you the perfect 7mm-08.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2880890#Post2880890 - http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2880890#Post2880890
 
That is an awesome setup.
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Why would anyone spend all that money on 7mm08?  Doesn't make sense to me...
 
KB,
 
Take all the pokes you want at those O'Connor worshippin' 270 huggers out there, but leave the little gem 7-08 out of it!
 
Cussing


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/04/2011 at 23:00
Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Hey Mike, I found you the perfect 7mm-08.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2880890#Post2880890 - http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2880890#Post2880890
 
That is an awesome setup.
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Why would anyone spend all that money on 7mm08?  Doesn't make sense to me...
 
KB,
 
Take all the pokes you want at those O'Connor worshippin' 270 huggers out there, but leave the little gem 7-08 out of it!
 
Cussing

I like 7mm08, think it is a great hunting round.  But $7000.00??? My 338 Custom with Hensoldt cost quite a bit less than that, and I've got all the "tricks".  I could see spending $3k on one with some really nice wood (African Tigerwood or something like that), but $7k??? for a "tactical" 7mm08???  Can't see it.  


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Posted By: Sgt. D
Date Posted: November/05/2011 at 09:56
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Why would anyone spend all that money on 7mm08?  Doesn't make sense to me...
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Finally!
 
He's commin out of the fog. A two day mean streak. Take the wife on a picnic to the range. You need a fix in the worst way. Luv ya bro. Wink
 
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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: November/05/2011 at 10:24
where is Pyro? He's a BIG 270 fan.

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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: November/05/2011 at 11:03
I think the (now) $6200 price includes the Premier 5-25 along with a few goodies like the Alpha mags and the rail, which is maybe $200 total new. So maybe he spent $3K on the rifle. I'm not saying he should expect to get all his money out of it, but the Surgeon action alone even @ gunsmith prices runs $1291 from Brownells or $1295 from Surgeon. It sounds like about what you'd expect to pay for a really nice custom short-action.


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Posted By: Clark
Date Posted: November/08/2011 at 12:25
I have (3) 270s.
I have (12) 308s.

It is a lot easier to hit a deer at 500 yards with a 270.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: November/08/2011 at 12:28
Originally posted by Clark Clark wrote:

I have (3) 270s.
I have (12) 308s.

It is a lot easier to hit a deer at 500 yards with a 270.


Good night.  I don't even have 12 rifles.  Bucky


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Posted By: LRSMike
Date Posted: November/08/2011 at 13:03
Well as many rifles as you have, I'd say its the best bet that you have better luck hitting them with a rifle than with either round hahahaEvil Laugh out Load

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Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: November/08/2011 at 14:00
Maybe it's because it's so difficult to pick which .308 to use.  Big Smile

I've never shot an animal out that far because I just don't. But I have put 7 out of 8 rounds into an X ring @ 600 yards with a .308 in a light wind so it is not a question of capability, just one of what one is comfortable with when it comes to animals. It takes 2/3 of a second or more for a really good high-power round to travel 500 yards. Some animals will stay still while others will start. There's no way they can hear the shot but I wouldn't be surprised if an antelope that is already eying you suspiciously with its 8X vision might see the muzzle flash or some other movement.


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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: November/08/2011 at 14:21
Originally posted by jonoMT jonoMT wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised if an antelope that is already eying you suspiciously with its 8X vision might see the muzzle flash or some other movement.
I shoot them when they're not looking.......... Bucky

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/08/2011 at 16:38
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Originally posted by Clark Clark wrote:

I have (3) 270s.
I have (12) 308s.

It is a lot easier to hit a deer at 500 yards with a 270.


Good night.  I don't even have 12 rifles.  Bucky
I have 12 rifles, but NONE of them are .270...  Is that even a rifle caliber??


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Posted By: Johnny
Date Posted: November/08/2011 at 20:59
The best use for 30-06 brass is necking it to 270!!

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: November/08/2011 at 21:13
Originally posted by Johnny Johnny wrote:

The best use for 30-06 brass is necking it to 270!!



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Posted By: trigger29
Date Posted: November/08/2011 at 21:31
Originally posted by Johnny Johnny wrote:

The best use for 30-06 brass is necking it to 270!!
Yup. See page 3.. where I said..... "The .270 is the only good thing ever to come out of the -06 case.

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Posted By: Johnny
Date Posted: November/09/2011 at 21:31
The 30-06 is a great cartridge, if you have nothing else to use!!YippeeExcellent

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Posted By: billyburl2
Date Posted: November/09/2011 at 23:16
The 30-'06 has probably stopped more hearts than all other rifle cartridges lumped together...It can't be all that bad. Mine has killed an elk, bison, and several other lesser creatures. And that is just in my hands, it is a early serial 1903 Springfield barrel-stamped 1916.

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: November/10/2011 at 09:45
My Ford is faster than your ChevyLoco

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Posted By: Cooper25
Date Posted: December/31/2011 at 12:14
Now THAT was an entertaining thread right there lmao  just get a 280 and that's all you ever lead.
(Running for door)


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Posted By: Roy Finn
Date Posted: December/31/2011 at 15:14
Originally posted by Johnny Johnny wrote:

The best use for 30-06 brass is necking it to 270!!
 
More like the 280 Ackley.


Posted By: Cooper25
Date Posted: January/01/2012 at 23:37
Originally posted by Roy Finn Roy Finn wrote:

Originally posted by Johnny Johnny wrote:

The best use for 30-06 brass is necking it to 270!!
 
More like the 280 Ackley.
yes indeed

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Posted By: JF4545
Date Posted: January/03/2012 at 12:28
I like Fords, I like Chevs, I like 308's and 270's I own and have owned some of each.....They all have a place in the world IMO....I really appreciated Trigger's Ballistics as well, Thank You! Bucky This has been a very interesting thread boysExcellent


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/03/2012 at 22:31
270... guess that would be kind of like a "dumbed down" 30-06...

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Posted By: Cooper25
Date Posted: January/04/2012 at 07:59
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

270... guess that would be kind of like a "dumbed down" 30-06...
Laugh


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/04/2012 at 08:15
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

270... guess that would be kind of like a "dumbed down" 30-06...

more like a dumbed down .35whelen in your world danBucky


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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: January/04/2012 at 09:24
I'm going to make an arguement for the 270, even though I've never owned one.
My best friend bought a barreled Parker Hale action in 270 when we were in college. He then ordered a Fajin stock, finished it and I glass bedded it for him.
His reasoning for the 270 was it's versatility. He could hunt both deer and groundhogs with the same rifle, and since he had limited funds at the time, this made since. He still uses this rifle for deer, even tough he can afford almost anything he wants now. He actually got to do more hunting than me because he had a rifle that could do the job. When we were hunting groundhogs, I was just along for the ride with my open sighted .22 long rifle looking at hogs 300yds away.


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: January/04/2012 at 22:16
Originally posted by LRSMike LRSMike wrote:

Is that against all three variations of a 270? I know there is a weatherby, a wsm, and a winchester for the .270 caliber.
 
Well if you want to play that card  - definately the .308 diameter and jump straight to 300 'WSM or the 300 Win Mag  or stop at the 30-06 big brother to the 270.   Now if you said what is better 270 or 280 or 30-06 you might have had a more equal comparison.  But the stone cold truth is no matter which one you use they all kill big game and shot placement makes the difference more than caliber.
 
Look at Winchesters catelog of factory ammo run right down the energy column at 500 yds and see what they have left when they get to long range.
270 Win  highest is  1449 ft-lbs energy
270 WSM    1648
280Rem      1410
7mm WSM   1692
7mag           1612
.308 win       1287
30-06          1530
300 WSM     1883
300WM        1869
375H&H       1640
338 WM        2052 


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: January/04/2012 at 22:31
Originally posted by Johnny Johnny wrote:

The best use for 30-06 brass is necking it to 270!!
 
Bullsh*t
 


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: January/04/2012 at 22:42
I know an old Army Sniper Instructor who hunts elk every year with his .270 and always comes home with one.  For some people it works just fine.  I have never owned one and I dont have any desire to own one.  I was raised shooting 30-06 I tend to think of it as a boys gun since I got mine about age 6 so wouldnt that make a 270 a girls gun. Devil   I really had no intention of getting into 300 WSM but wound up with some ammo in that caliber and bought a rifle to shoot it and dam if I dont like it. In a .308 Im shooting 190 SMK about 2600 fps and with the 300 WSM  I shoot the 190 SMK about 2900 fps whats not to like there.         

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Posted By: Johnny
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 13:52
The 30-06 is a good caliber if you have nothing else to use!! Used 30-06 brass makes loading the 270 even cheaper. Yippee

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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 14:01
 
  My assorted parts .270 got it's first head of big game this yr.  Antlerless deer.  Exact same spot as the one I took last yr with my 9.3x62 (270gr bullet!).  I couldn't tell a difference and neither could the deer.


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Posted By: JF4545
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 14:17

Coffee



Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 14:28
 
  Santa brought me one of these,Jules!
 
  
 
  


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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 14:29
i got one tooExcellent

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375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: JF4545
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 14:42
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  Santa brought me one of these,Jules!
 
Thats pretty darn nice Earl, I wish Santa would bring one to me.. Good Brand too!
 
  
 
  


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 14:42
 
  The wife ordered $50 worth of coffee from them.  Some of it will make your hair stand on end.    Whacko


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Posted By: JF4545
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 14:44
We grind all our own Coffee Beans Earl, buy it by the 3 lb. bag from Costco.. I drink coffee very strong as well, its about all I drink anymore other then filtered or spring water.. I cannot handle most water it usually taste like Ka KaBig Grin


Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 15:05
 
 We use to do the bean thing to.  May get back in to it.  This machine gets the most out of the coffee you use.  We got the accessory that lets you use your std coffee.  Even makes it taste better.  If you like coffee you owe it to yourself to get one of these things.


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Posted By: JF4545
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 15:28
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
 We use to do the bean thing to.  May get back in to it.  This machine gets the most out of the coffee you use.  We got the accessory that lets you use your std coffee.  Even makes it taste better.  If you like coffee you owe it to yourself to get one of these things.
Thanks Earl!!!Yep, Thought So


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 15:32
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
 We use to do the bean thing to.  May get back in to it.  This machine gets the most out of the coffee you use.  We got the accessory that lets you use your std coffee.  Even makes it taste better.  If you like coffee you owe it to yourself to get one of these things.

i concur!



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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 15:38
My favorite brand of coffee is Free. My next favorite brand is Cheap.
 
I guess the 270, 308 thing is settled.


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Posted By: 300S&W
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 16:05
 
  Yep.  Get one of each.  Rifle caliber that is.  Bucky


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Posted By: JF4545
Date Posted: January/05/2012 at 17:50
Originally posted by 300S&W 300S&W wrote:

 
  Yep.  Get one of each.  Rifle caliber that is.  Bucky
Me Too,  Im just glad I do not have the need to attack a rifle caliber or anything else for that matter so crazily. Ive watched folks do the same sort of thing over Cars throughout my short 55 years. Ive just never understood it and gratefully so....ShockedEarl if you wanna whine about somethin just send me another PM and I will listen to ya my Brodda from a different Mudda...Big Grin



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