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Topic: Copper Fouling Remover
Posted By: Alan Robertson
Subject: Copper Fouling Remover
Date Posted: June/19/2014 at 16:22
What's your favorite copper fouling remover?


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: June/19/2014 at 16:35


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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: June/19/2014 at 20:36
Wipe Out!!!!!

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-Matt


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 02:27

KG-12 Bore Cleaner/Copper Remover absolutely the best I've ever used.  With the entire KG-line of cleaning products, it is the easiest cleaning I've ever done.  Love the stuff...

http://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.htmlhttp://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.html - http://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.html http://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.html - http://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.html

I've repeated this test with Hoppe's #9, Bore Tech, and Barnes CR-10 with similar results.  The KG products are amazing.




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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 04:07
Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Wipe Out!!!!!


X2!!!!!


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 07:06
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

KG-12 Bore Cleaner/Copper Remover absolutely the best I've ever used.  With the entire KG-line of cleaning products, it is the easiest cleaning I've ever done.  Love the stuff...

http://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.htmlhttp://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.html - http://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.html http://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.html - http://www.laniganperformance.com/kg12testresults.html

I've repeated this test with Hoppe's #9, Bore Tech, and Barnes CR-10 with similar results.  The KG products are amazing.



That's pretty impressive, Dan! 

I've recently been using JB Bore Paste every now and again too. 

My problem with the Wipe Out type cleaner, is that you have to "let it sit" for a while and then come back and finish. Or that's the way it was explained to me, and while I'm sure it works great, I just don't like that concept. I want to get it done and be done.   



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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 08:08
Wipeout is probably the fastest, but may leave a little behind.  I understand the "get'er dooonnne' approach, but cleaning is an ingrained ritual with me.  Even if I use the Wipeout, I still spend an inordinate amount of time, and DOZENS of patches... might as well use the KG. 

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 08:24
I use brake cleaner on my AR. I remove the extractor with it's rubber o ring and go to town.     

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 08:31
I've only done that a few times and never on a rifle I intended to keep... it does remove stuff... I'm not sure it doesn't remove metal... kind of like a dissolver.   Kidding aside... it will certainly clean it up...

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 08:53
I only use brake cleaner on AR's, because they are filthy, crap where they eat, pigs and deserve to be treated as such. Cussing  

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 09:39
But you repeat yourself... they are ARs... what more needs be said???

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 10:18
SEAL CLP Plus.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 11:12

Originally posted by Bigdaddy0381 Bigdaddy0381 wrote:

SEAL CLP Plus.


Doesn't beat KG-12



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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 12:31
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:


My problem with the Wipe Out type cleaner, is that you have to "let it sit" for a while and then come back and finish. Or that's the way it was explained to me, and while I'm sure it works great, I just don't like that concept. I want to get it done and be done.   


It is so easy.  The wait time does the work.  I don't even know where my brushes are anymore.  Foam it.  Let it sit overnight.  Run two  patches.  Done.  If your bore is reasonably smooth, it will come out clean to the bare metal.

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Wipeout is probably the fastest, but may leave a little behind.  I understand the "get'er dooonnne' approach, but cleaning is an ingrained ritual with me.  Even if I use the Wipeout, I still spend an inordinate amount of time, and DOZENS of patches... might as well use the KG. 

This isn't my experience with wipeout, but what works for you, works!


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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 12:54
WHAT??!?!?! NO brushes!?!?!?!?! Shocked
What kind of black demon magic is this you refer to, Sir?!? Wizard 
Why...next you'll be telling me you've found a new projectile to replace the minie ball.....

Matt, do you plug the end of the barrel, or what?  


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Posted By: Peddler
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 13:09
Plug both ends.

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When you are dead, you don't know you are dead.It is difficult only for others.

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 13:35
Dan, I've been using M-Pro 7 on my AR but I may have to try the KG-12.

I used to use Sweet's for cooper fouling many years ago, it's powerful stuff, too powerful for me.

For my hunting rifles it's been Shooters for as long as I can remember, the past few years I've been using Rifledude's recipe of 50/50 Shooters/Kroil.


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Posted By: Bitterroot Bulls
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 15:06
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Matt, do you plug the end of the barrel, or what?


I use a tight fitting bore guide, squirt foam through the bore guide, and plug the end of the bore guide with my finger until foam is stops flowing out the end of the barrel. Then I pull the bore guide and make sure the barrel is level and put a rag under the muzzle to catch any drips. That's it. Then the next day I push a couple of tight patches through. Amazing stuff.



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Posted By: JGRaider
Date Posted: June/20/2014 at 17:03
+1 to the Wipe Out, and if you prefer to scrub, Bore Tech Eliminator is great stuff.  I have done an additional step in my rifles by treating them first with Dyna Bore Coat.  Initial cleaning down to bare metal with Kroil, WO/BoreTech, and JB's or Iosso, then treat with DBC per instructions.  By doing this I now never use more than 6-8 patches to get a bright, shiny bore.   I also do not clean my barrels more than necessary, dictated by eroding accuracy.  Usually between 125-150 rounds  for hunting rifles. 


Posted By: Alan Robertson
Date Posted: June/21/2014 at 15:11
Wipe- Out now comes in a liquid called Patch Out, so no more funky nozzles/foam to fool with.  I have no experience with it, but it sounds good. The Wipe-Out disclaimer that it eats finishes on old guns is cause for concern.

Kg-12 may be the best stuff, but it has a small drawback, for me. I don't have bore guides/rod for all my rifles and have taken to using the Otis cable to pull slotted tips and brushes through instead of pushing a jag/patch. I haven't found a suitable non- brass slot tip for patches and KG-12 works over brass components right quick, but suspect that a brass slot tip will still outlast polymer or other tips, even with immediate material removal. I oil the cable brass parts and slot tip before use.


Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

  ...the past few years I've been using Rifledude's recipe of 50/50 Shooters/Kroil.
That sounds interesting- I'd like to know more, if someone has more info (hint Ted). Anyone tried their own homebrew, ala Ed's Red? I've mixed Kroil, Hoppe's, some household ammonia and a few drops of light oil, but not really impressed with it.



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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: June/21/2014 at 21:11
Originally posted by Bitterroot Bulls Bitterroot Bulls wrote:

Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:


My problem with the Wipe Out type cleaner, is that you have to "let it sit" for a while and then come back and finish. Or that's the way it was explained to me, and while I'm sure it works great, I just don't like that concept. I want to get it done and be done.   


It is so easy.  The wait time does the work.  I don't even know where my brushes are anymore.  Foam it.  Let it sit overnight.  Run two  patches.  Done.  If your bore is reasonably smooth, it will come out clean to the bare metal.

Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

Wipeout is probably the fastest, but may leave a little behind.  I understand the "get'er dooonnne' approach, but cleaning is an ingrained ritual with me.  Even if I use the Wipeout, I still spend an inordinate amount of time, and DOZENS of patches... might as well use the KG. 

This isn't my experience with wipeout, but what works for you, works!

You didn't get my point... you have to ensure that you the Wipeout fully coats everything in the barrel or it may leave a little behind... not a big deal.  What would be left behind would be virtually insignificant.  Make sure the barrel is fully coated and it appears to do all it claims.

However, I'm still going to push the patches, most of the time.  Not that I don't trust the Wipeout, it's just an obsessive/compulsive thing with me.  Wipeout is wasted on me...

Clearer?



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Posted By: Glock
Date Posted: June/23/2014 at 14:02
I use this works for me
 


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