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Topic: If you can't shoot... don't hunt
Posted By: Kickboxer
Subject: If you can't shoot... don't hunt
Date Posted: January/07/2019 at 22:21
I've been feeding the deer on my property for about 19 years.  Last night one of the "regulars" (he's been around for a couple of years) showed up... he has a hole in his right hip, limping, actually holding the right hoof off the ground most of the time.  He showed up again tonight.  
I am now torn as to whether I should just put him out of his misery...  he eats well, but is obviously in great pain.
A CLEAR sign of a "hunter" who can't shoot and can't hunt... fairly common in this area.  I've never seen a "group" so proud of deer shot who "got away".  Problem is, they mostly don't get away, they just go off and die.  And proud of "I must have walked a couple hundred yards... never did find him".  I've heard it many times since moving here in 1998.  It is depressing to see such obvious signs of uncaring attitude by so many.  I had one guy, a few years ago, tell me "there's more deer out there, what's the big deal?"
You can't fix stupid.


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living



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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/08/2019 at 00:34
The bunny huggers love these guys...helps their cause no end.


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/08/2019 at 00:36
A tough call on putting him down. These animals show a remarkable ability to recover. As long as he is eating I would leave him alone.


Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: January/08/2019 at 04:43
What 8 shots said. Keep monitoring him to see if he worsens.  Maybe put down the "hunter" if you get the chance?  Sometimes $hit does happen though, a twig you didn't see etc. In 50 years of deer hunting I have wounded an animal that I couldn't recover. The difference though is that I feel awful, it is not something any humane person would brag about.

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Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: January/08/2019 at 06:30
solve the problem.

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: January/08/2019 at 09:29
I shot a buck once that took me 3 days to find. I suspended my hunting until I found him. Of course when I did, the only thing I could claim was the antlers, because he had already swelled up. My hunting was over for the season. I had fired 6 rounds of 10mm at that deer and put all 6 in vital areas. He just ran a long way and died on a hillside, and slide down the hill over a bank where I couldn't see him. I had tracked him right to where his trail ended. I just couldn't see where he slid down the hill.
I hated losing that deer.


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: January/08/2019 at 09:57
That is frustrating, Dan. That is what makes the difference between a hunter and someone that shoots at animals.
I like 8shots advice.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/09/2019 at 20:23
Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

That is frustrating, Dan. That is what makes the difference between a hunter and someone that shoots at animals.
I like 8shots advice.

Good advice, guys.  He is still "kicking"... still carrying that leg, though.  He actually seems to be doing better. 


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/09/2019 at 20:58
I quit hunting with farm folks who were doing "deer drives" in Pennsylvania when I was 14 years old for this very reason.....they shoot up the sky at some deer that runs away and never bother to check if they hit the deer or anybody else....that may have been still hunting 100 yards away on their own property....








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Posted By: Son of Ed
Date Posted: January/10/2019 at 17:53
I don't even like to go to Public Shooting Ranges because I don't like being around OTHER people who are handling guns......

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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: January/10/2019 at 18:08
Good to see Dan

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Doug


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/11/2019 at 08:30
The buck appears to be recovering.  Last night he was actually putting weight on the injured leg, painfully... you could realistically see him flinch sometimes when he put weight on it.  But does not appear that the bullet hit anything vital.  I got a fairly close look at the hole with a 10 power Nikon binocular and the hole is pretty small... I doubt 5.56/.223... probably .22, probably shot off the highway.  He has been "nocturnal" for a couple of years, which is what makes me believe it was an attempted poaching off the main road with a gun that would not be heard very far.  He's alert and active, seems to be healing.

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: January/11/2019 at 09:44
Good for him.
He'll be much more wary now.


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: Scrumbag
Date Posted: January/14/2019 at 02:26
What is it with these poachers? The question sure revolves around fornication, travel and their legitimacy...

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/14/2019 at 07:15
Originally posted by Scrumbag Scrumbag wrote:

What is it with these poachers? The question sure revolves around fornication, travel and their legitimacy...
It's a way of life with some of the people here.  Rather than being a stigma, it is bandied about and discussed as a "badge of honor".  Some of them either don't hunt during hunting season (only in the spring/summer) or only hunt at night off the roadsides.  There are insufficient game wardens... I've lived here over 20 years and only seen one in this area one time.  I called the game warden once about some guys who were hunting illegally on my land... was told "if we can get around to it, we'll check it out", no one ever showed up.  I took care of it.  They have not been back.  However, the roads are still "open".  


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: January/14/2019 at 07:30
Don’t get me started on F’ing poachers.

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Fish to Live, Live to Hunt


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/14/2019 at 09:55
To me, a poacher is no different than a serial killer...

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: January/14/2019 at 10:59
At my work Christmas party a couple of the gals from one of the other office was sitting by my wife and I.  Their husbands an i were talking guns and hunting.  The one said he was wanting to buy a 28 nosler so he could shoot an elk at 1000+ yards.  I mentioned it will be a barrel burner so be ready to buy a few barrels as you practice to get good enough to shoot elk at that distance.  He laughed at me, and said I will only need to shoot a few shots to sight it in a then a few shots per year to hunt with.  I will never burn out a barrel.  I said how will you learn the data and learn to read the wind to make a shot like that.  He said it will be easy with that gun.  I will just buy a good bdc scope and wing it.  Confused   

I then asked him if he had any experience shooting long range.  He said not really, but with a caliber like that it makes it easy.  I just shoot my head and said it won't be as easy as you think.  You really should spend some time and money practicing before taking a shot like that.

Ultimately I don't think he cared though.  Sadly we have lots of hunters who think long shots are the way to go these days.  They think it is easy. 


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/14/2019 at 11:21
 The good news with those hunters is often 2-fold:

1.  They clean miss animals more than they hit them.
2.  They sell slightly used guns at significant markdowns, for those interested.

I seldom go to public ranges any more, and never hunt on public land.  I shoot fairly well, and never shoot at an animal at a range or in a circumstance where I do not believe I can cleanly kill and recover the animal. 

That said, I have lost a few animals, which I hated.

This is also why I tend to over-gun for the target of choice.  "Too dead" is far better than "not dead enough."

While hunting this past season, twice in our group we had deer thought to be dead stand up and walk away.  Both were put down shortly after they got up, but neither was hit well enough to end life the first time.

Shoot well, rack another round, keep the animal in the scope, if it moves more than a little, shoot it again: words to live by!


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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: January/14/2019 at 16:04
A buddy of mine is a RO at a range that goes to 600yds. But they make you qualify at 200yds before you can shoot any farther. To qualify you have to shoot 3 rounds in a 4inch dot. He tells me about these guys with their custom rifles laugh and say that's easy. Most can't even hit the paper let alone the dot.


Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: January/14/2019 at 16:21
Not sure I could do that, it’d have to have antlers. 😉

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Fish to Live, Live to Hunt


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/14/2019 at 17:53
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:

 The good news with those hunters is often 2-fold:

1.  They clean miss animals more than they hit them.
2.  They sell slightly used guns at significant markdowns, for those interested.

I seldom go to public ranges any more, and never hunt on public land.  I shoot fairly well, and never shoot at an animal at a range or in a circumstance where I do not believe I can cleanly kill and recover the animal. 

That said, I have lost a few animals, which I hated.

This is also why I tend to over-gun for the target of choice.  "Too dead" is far better than "not dead enough."

While hunting this past season, twice in our group we had deer thought to be dead stand up and walk away.  Both were put down shortly after they got up, but neither was hit well enough to end life the first time.

Shoot well, rack another round, keep the animal in the scope, if it moves more than a little, shoot it again: words to live by!

Absolutely...


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/15/2019 at 00:14
Confession time: I went hunting in Aug 2018.
Took two impala...one shot clean kills at about 150 yds.
Then went for a blue wildebeest. Probably 50 yds away. Went for the famous head shot. Well, after two hours of tracking on a few spots of blood every here and there we had to give it up.
I am still very unhappy about that. So these things happen, but it is about a hunters frame of mind that matters. Do you care or do you not care....


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/15/2019 at 00:24
 I have only ever lost two deer in my many years of hunting. Both times I put them down with the first shot, got out of the stand, and they got up. They were big deer in both cases. One was a Boone and Crocket contender for sure. It was a very easy 70 yard shot with my 300 wm. The deer got up and made it to a river and was gone. Only a 25 yard distance to that river. The other I have no explanation for except that these animals possess a remarkable will to live. Even dead they can and have traveled some incredible distances before being recovered. I had one that the heart was gone and half of both lungs, and that animal we tracked for two hours through brambles and bratches over a two hundred and fifty yard distance. Still though, 95% of them go down right where I shot them.

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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/15/2019 at 00:28
 WOOTER.... Hey Buddy. Good to see ya again. I told my Girlfriend about your zapper experience, she wet her pants too. LOL 

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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/16/2019 at 00:52
Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

 WOOTER.... Hey Buddy. Good to see ya again. I told my Girlfriend about your zapper experience, she wet her pants too. LOL 

Hug Good to see you back were you belong....


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/16/2019 at 00:59
Originally posted by 8shots 8shots wrote:

Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

 WOOTER.... Hey Buddy. Good to see ya again. I told my Girlfriend about your zapper experience, she wet her pants too. LOL 

Hug Good to see you back were you belong....
Thanks my brother.... Lile and I have talked a few times during my absence. I'm sure he passed along my well wishes to all of you. I'm happy to be back. 

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An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

Cyborg


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/16/2019 at 10:27
Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

A buddy of mine is a RO at a range that goes to 600yds. But they make you qualify at 200yds before you can shoot any farther. To qualify you have to shoot 3 rounds in a 4inch dot. He tells me about these guys with their custom rifles laugh and say that's easy. Most can't even hit the paper let alone the dot.
 

The one public range I visit is similar: 600 yard max distance, qualify at 300 to be allowed to shoot there.  I think the target is a 6" bull, has to be 3 rounds in the bull to shoot at 600 - no fliers.  And I too have watched many an idiot (require many cease fires) shoot up many targets to get a qualifying target.  It saddens me.

I still have my first qualifying target from there, I posted it several years ago: 2 rounds touching, one about 1/2 inch away.  Done with a 5r 308, which I should not have sold.  




Originally posted by cyborg cyborg wrote:

 I have only ever lost two deer in my many years of hunting. Both times I put them down with the first shot, got out of the stand, and they got up. They were big deer in both cases. One was a Boone and Crocket contender for sure. It was a very easy 70 yard shot with my 300 wm. The deer got up and made it to a river and was gone. Only a 25 yard distance to that river. The other I have no explanation for except that these animals possess a remarkable will to live. Even dead they can and have traveled some incredible distances before being recovered. I had one that the heart was gone and half of both lungs, and that animal we tracked for two hours through brambles and bratches over a two hundred and fifty yard distance. Still though, 95% of them go down right where I shot them.
 

On our walkers at this particular ranch, I was present for one a few years ago where the shooter went a bit high, the round missed the spine but hit hard enough to knock the animal out for a few minutes.  The other was a shot on vitals that went too far forward, it zipped above the front legs, took some meat off the front quarters, but missed everything really important.  The deer could walk and run (kinda) but was not mortally wounded.  That said, there is a healthy coyote population, and he would not have survived long.

One friend shot a deer, left it on the ground for a bit, loaded it onto a trailer, took it back to camp, went into the lodge to get a drink, came back out and his son said, "Dad, your dear is leaving."  That deer had been on the ground for almost an hour, on the trailer for about 20 minutes, and finally decided to shamble off.  I missed the events, but did hear the 6 year old tell the tale, all while his dad giggled and shook his head.  For the record, the hunter was one of the best hunters I know.

When I took my trophy this year (knowing that when I squeeze the trigger, whether I recovered the animal or not, that was my trophy), I put the round exactly where I wanted it, immediately racked another, and stayed on the deer for a good 10 minutes before I came off scope and put the weapon on safe.  He did twitch his tail once and almost got a second round for that.

Always be ready for a second shot.


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Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/19/2019 at 14:42
Hunt long enough and you can see all sort of things that make you wonder. I remember as young lad hearing tales and thinking, "yeah right" as I grew older I have come to realize many of those tales may well have been true.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/19/2019 at 17:48
The wounded deer showed up again tonight.  He has lost some weight, but is eating well.  I suspect he has not been traveling far... big limp and still carrying the right leg whenever he is standing still.  No outward signs of infection, but I just can't tell.  However, his eyes seem clear and he moves well except for the limp.  Nice 8 point.  Shame.  



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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/19/2019 at 23:05
Hopefully he recovers fully. He may have a stunted rack on the left side next year, depending on how much healing takes place between now and the beginning of antler development for next season. As long as he's eating good, and staying active, those are good signs. My guess is he's young and strong, and he should recover fully. 

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An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

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Cyborg


Posted By: vinn
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 08:03
    the military rifle men and snipers have made some amaising long shot kills,  even with a 50 cai..  i like long range target shooting, gave up hunting years ago, but the ranges are disapearing and gun laws increasing.  if you have a 100 yard range on your property -- the noise bothers people a mile away, but silencers are legal now -- $200 fed. tax.

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Posted By: Steelbenz
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 08:49


We were pretty forgiving, H range has now been closed! The 3 gunners have taken over the last 400 yards for action bays. there were only 50 of us that were qualified to shoot on H range out of 1K members.




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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 19:32
The buck was back tonight.  Still limping, but not holding his leg up in the air when standing.  He also had two does with him.  Another buck was with him as well, quite a bit smaller.  He seems well on the way to recovery.  I'm pretty sure he is going to be OK.  He hasn't "been off his feed" at all.

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: Dogger
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 19:45
Good to hear. Their resilience is amazing.

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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 21:25
Duck season... poacher season... rabbit season... poacher season... poacher season...

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 23:45
Happy to hear it. Clap

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An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

Cyborg


Posted By: 3_tens
Date Posted: January/21/2019 at 01:05
IF you had a good Game Warden, they could tranquilize the buck and get some medical attention for him. Then returning him back to where he came from. Hope and prayers for his recovery.


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Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/21/2019 at 08:26
Originally posted by 3_tens 3_tens wrote:

IF you had a good Game Warden, they could tranquilize the buck and get some medical attention for him. Then returning him back to where he came from. Hope and prayers for his recovery.
Great to hear from you.  


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: Lockjaw
Date Posted: January/24/2019 at 08:41
Down here, if you don't find it pretty quick, you can hang up finding it, the coyotes will. 

I shot one years ago in a different club, double lung, saw blood coming out the other side when it ran off. I let it sit for 2 hours, then climbed down and tracked it. When I got within 20 yards of it, it jumped up and took off. 

Backed out, got help, and 3 of us tracked it. It ran another 200 yards, piled up in a creek, and had been nawed on by yotes when we found it 45 minutes later. 




Posted By: vinn
Date Posted: January/24/2019 at 11:03
   happens in the best of familys,   a semi kill shot.   some guys carried a 1911 .45 to bring um down.

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: January/24/2019 at 11:45
It happens sometimes.  Even with a good shot and the best intentions they get away.  My dad shot a deer years ago, it went down the first shot.  It was a really nice 5 point muley.  We waited 20 minutes and watched it, it never moved.  Slowly walked up on it and it jumped up and took off, he shot is again and it went down for a bit, but jumped up and took off.  Lots of blood.  We literally tracked it all day long, 3 of us.  Next day came back and tracked it more, but eventually the blood stopped and we could not find it any more.  Miles of tracking.  Sad deal for sure. 

He had something similar with an elk once, shot it twice with a 7mm mag.  It went down, we waited nearly an hour.  Went up to it, it jumped up and ran off.  We tracked it all day long in the thick oak and brush.  Never found it. 


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Posted By: 8shots
Date Posted: January/24/2019 at 23:43
The one that still brings tears to my eyes....I shot a massive kudu bull at about a 300yds distance. It went down. By the time we got to the spot it had gotten up and was gone. Lots of blood...we followed bloodspoor for about 3 hours. Then it got dark. Next day we picked up where we had left off. Pretty soon the blood became drops here and there and then nothing.

Someone else shot that bull a year later. The landowner phoned me to tell me. The wound mark was still visible. The shot had gone to high, missing the lungs but not hitting the spine. Worst news was this bull came in at 65 inches. A massive monster I have been hunting for all my life....


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/25/2019 at 07:33
Yes, I understand that "things happen".  
My biggest frustrations here are 1) there is a crowd that condones/brags about shooting but not killing their prey (which generally means that if there were not a grocery store nearby, they would starve to death)... they take no responsibility for what they've done, find no problem with causing another creature to suffer, basically don't care.  They don't shoot well... and don't care.  Hitting a 3'x3' target "somewhere" at 50 yards is "good enough" to go hunt and take a shot at any range.  I know one guy here who brags about how many deer he shoots, "gets blood", and then can't find...2) then there are poachers who combine all the traits above and go the further step of not obeying the hunting laws... think they can hunt whenever and wherever they want to with no consequence and if one "gets away"... oh well, I'll get the next one (maybe)... but once again, don't care (except possibly that they wasted a bullet).  This is not from anecdote, I've seen it, heard it, as well as having others tell me of their participation or of the participation of others.  
I have nothing but contempt for these actions and the people who perform them.  

I have great respect for people who hunt, truly hunt.  There is a bond among us, respect for each other and for the animals.  Caring, knowing that you are about to end a life, celebrating that life by providing food to continue other lives, make life better for family and friends, perhaps even the indigent (Hunters for the Hungry, etc).  Trying to make sure you cause as little pain as possible through your actions.  I had a doe tag in Texas many years ago.  I was excited, I was going to get to shoot a doe.  Saw one, took it... then it's fawn (older, out of spots, but still young enough to be staying with Mom) ran out.  I can sometimes still hear it bleat, calling to its mother, see it running in circles around its dead mother, trying to push her, make her get up... the panic, pain and fear in that sound has never left me, the vision returns every time I hunt... it still burns me deep inside.  I am much more cautious now... I have never made a mistake like that again.  "I learned... compassion".


 


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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: January/25/2019 at 09:29
Dan, I've had 2 friends that did the same thing when hunting on my place. Both wanted me to take the 2 fawns that were with the doe, and both times I refused. Both have all but quit hunting. Age and finding time to hunt have a lot to do with it, but I know those fawns have something to do with it too. There's still plenty of deer around my place.
I don't hunt much myself anymore, but it's because I don't have much time, and I'm too lazy to drag a deer up 200 feet of steep hill.


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: jonoMT
Date Posted: January/25/2019 at 12:58
About 5 or 6 years ago, when I went to pick up elk meat from a game processor, the owner said, "I have something to show you," then pulled out a chunk of meat about 2 x 2 inches and a foot long with a scarred wound channel in it. Someone several years earlier had shot that cow right in the hindquarters...almost certainly from behind. She'd obviously recovered fairly well since I recall her looking normal.

But I hate shots like that. I can't tell you how many times my first (and often only view) of an elk has been that distinctive light patch on its rear. The thought of gut shooting an animal is shameful and unsporting. If you hunt long enough, you're eventually going to lose an animal or bird. I just wish these jerks would at least get to the range like most of us and take a little pride in a clean shot.


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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/26/2019 at 12:53
Never could and still can't wrap my brain around someone bragging that they can't shoot accurately enough to make a kill. But we have those people here in Ga. as well. Our Hunting club we have a mandatory zero policy. We have to confirm with two witnesses that the rifle we hunt with is zeroed. We have to confirm that we can shoot a target at 30 yards with the bow that we hunt with. There will always be those bad luck days, nothing will ever change that, but taking steps to ensure that the Hunter is and his equipment is up to the task, is a step in the right direction. Especially given the political climate that are dealing with these days.

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An armed public are citizens. A disarmed public are subjects.

OATH KEEPER #8233 Support us, and join our cause.

Cyborg


Posted By: Kickboxer
Date Posted: January/27/2019 at 17:47
The wounded 8-point was back tonight... had 5 does with him.  I heard one of them say "that Bad Boy got shot... and he's STILL a STUD."  He's still got some pain, not as fast as he has been, but moving pretty well.  Stood up on his back legs to make a scrape.  I am positive it was a .22 he was shot with.  

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Opinion,untempered by fact,is ignorance.

There are some who do not fear death... for they are more afraid of not really living


Posted By: Lockjaw
Date Posted: January/28/2019 at 17:13
I shot a doe this year with my cross bow and couldn't find it. Found the bolt, minus the fletching Saw the lighted nock disappear into the deer. 370 FPS with a 125 grain muzzy hybrid broadhead. 2 5/8ths oval cutting hole. I have never heard something thump a deer as hard and as loud. Sounded like I slapped it with a 2x4. 

No blood where the bolt was. I went to the last place I saw it, no blood. It was a damp day, and we had a very slight drizzle. This is the 5th deer I have shot with archery equip. I looked in the rain until I got lost and had to use my phone just to figure out where I was. 

First one dropped in its tracks. Second ran 30 yards and piled up. 3rd I hit in the neck and dropped it. 4th arrow broke off in the deer. Never found it or a drop of blood, and then there is this one. 

I eat mine, so I shoot them to take them out. I have seen the same bullets out of the same box drop one deer in its tracks, and the next, it runs off and you have to go find it. 

Last deer I shot this year was with my 308 and precision hunter ELDX. Dropped it. It flopped around for about a minute. Then got up and hobbled off the green field. It was shot a little far back, no blood trail besides what was right out in the field. It was raining. I found it. By sheer luck. 

I can sit there off a bench with any of my rifles and put up a 1 inch group or less. I practice with my bow out to 45 yards and inside 25, the deer is dead if I get a pass thru. Cross bow is dead on and I have the hash marks on the scope labeled on the stock. 

Most impressive blood trails I have seen lately are 30-30 FTX. Waiting to bust one with my 450 Bushmaster and see what that looks like. 



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