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Topic: Sig P365 owners chime in
Posted By: RifleDude
Subject: Sig P365 owners chime in
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 12:30
Ok, I'm really intrigued by this pistol. The allure of a gun the size of a S&W Shield but with 10+1 capacity in standard mag config, with reportedly good ergos AND a good trigger is hard for me to ignore! I don't know what kind of voodoo they employed to cram that many rounds in a magazine of its size and still maintain a 1" overall thickness. Remarkable!

However, the number of broken firing pins being reported by owners scares me off this design. There have also been some reports of dead triggers due to trigger bar return spring failures, but this isn't as commonly reported as the broken firing pins. I'm hearing Sig is now on Gen 3 of this pistol, with changes made to the striker and the striker channel in the slide to try to correct the firing pin breakage. From what I'm seeing from videos online, this pistol shows extreme primer drag, which no doubt puts stress on the firing pin. A certain degree of primer drag isn't uncommon on micro pistols due to the speed of slide operation and the barrel beginning to unlock from the slide before the firing pin has rebounded back below the breech face. However, fired cases I've seen from 365s in videos show much more extreme primer drag than any of my micro pistols make.

I've been a long time Sig fan, but Sig's recent "nothing to see here, move along" attitude toward the drop safety issues with the P320 and the firing pin issues with the P365 has turned me off of their products. It's not uncommon for new designs to have some initial issues and growing pains, but their lack of ownership of known, demonstrated issues and subsequent refusal to do product recalls concerns me. 

That being said, while it's working, the P365 has received glowing reviews for its handling, trigger, sights, and how it shoots. Its mag capacity for its size is hard to ignore. I sure hope Sig has learned its lesson from the P320 drop safety fiasco and the P365 eventually proves to be a rock solid reliable design. If it is, I could see myself buying one. I just don't want to have the nagging feeling that a catastrophic failure awaits at any moment.

So, what say you P365 owners? What generation of this pistol do you have, and are you seeing long drag marks on your primers or not? Have you had any firing pin breakage or any other issues with yours? Did you keep the original striker or replace with aftermarket?


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Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 12:53
Why not simply wait for a little bit longer until Sig gets the design finalized?  It will be very interesting to see when people start comparing Glock G43X with Sig P365.   The side-by-sides will probably zero in on the all the flaws in both designs.

ILya


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Posted By: cyborg
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 12:57
We looked at the 365, but Angie didn't care much for it. She opted for the 938. So that's what I got for her Christmas. My brother has 1911 that he loves. I can't speak for the reliability of the 365 at all, but for a concealed carry option, it seems like a nice option. The issues that you posted do and would worry me a bit though. Angie has put probably 100 rounds through her 938 and it's doing very well for her. My brothers 1911 has held up very well also.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 13:23
Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Why not simply wait for a little bit longer until Sig gets the design finalized? 

Oh, I most definitely will.

Which is why I'm checking to see if the design appears to be finalized yet. I'm impatient, ya know.


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Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 13:53
I like mine.

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Posted By: Cactus Chip
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 19:16
No problem with mine. I believe it’s second gen.   Around 400 rounds through it. It’s more accurate than any of the Glocks I have including a gen 4 35 with aftermarket barrel lock, gen 4 29 with Lone Wolf 4.6” prted barrel 43, gen 4 19 and gen 3 27.

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Posted By: mike650
Date Posted: January/20/2019 at 21:20
Kali has no boarders except when it comes to guns, I’ll probably never get the chance to own one unless sold to me from a LEO.

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Posted By: Longhunter
Date Posted: January/21/2019 at 01:10
Here's my experience.
Our local indoor range has a 365 in its rental counter.

The first time I tried it, I was very impressed by the trigger, its accuracy, and the way it fit my hand.
I don't have a use for it, but liked it so well I seriously thought about buying one!

The second time, the previous shooter had turned it in without notifying the range that the barrel and spring were loose in the gun.  The range officer and I looked it over, and agreed it needed repair.  They sent it back to the factory for work, and now have the repaired gun back on the line.

The third time I rented it (several weeks ago) it worked just fine.

I don't buy guns that break....and  it's usually a bad idea to buy either guns or cars the first year they come out.  After a year or two, most problems are either resolved or determined to be "unfixable".

I think the 365 has the potential to be a very desirable and accurate pistol....if and when Sig gets the initial bugs worked out. 


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: January/21/2019 at 09:18
The Sig 365 has recently sparked my interest, but I think I'm going to wait a while before I actually start looking for one. Partially because of the teething problems, and partially because I think the price will come down when the demand goes down.


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: January/21/2019 at 11:11
 Sig has a well-earned reputation for "sell it now, fix it later", and that has bitten me before.  That said, I really like the 365 and, compared to the glock43, it fits me well and deserves a place in my safe.

I will soon get it back out on the range and look at primer swipes - then might re-evaluate.

This is the gun that goes when the other option is no gun at all.  And, fortunately for fall/winter, that hasn't been a problem yet.  So my 365 is still proving itself as larger guns are in season for now.

By spring, it will either be officially in the rotation or officially out.  I agree on the "I don't own unreliable defense guns" mantra, is should be etched in stone and posted everywhere - especially my property boundaries.

I love the feel of mine - it just fits my hands; and it has been reliable so far (except that 10 round mag that doesn't lock open - but I don't even know where that mag is not, and don't care.)

I too could have waited, but that would mean continuing to carry a gun that I had confidence in its reliability and not so much in my capacity to put rounds on target in times of great stress.




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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/06/2019 at 12:12
 So, I made it to the range today to investigate the primer-swiping thing.  I took the 365, a G43, and the M17 - to test a full-size at the same time and with the same ammo, and because I need to shoot it more.

I took some pictures which turned out far worse than they looked at the range - it is an indoor range and the flash isn't needed with such awesome camera technology as now graces my Samsung phone, or something.  They are below, they are terrible, I know.

In short, the Glock had more pronounced swipe than did Sig, but both made impressions in the primer not inconsistent with what others are reporting.

I must admit, I am ambivalent.  As said before, these guns are carried when a larger gun is simply not possible, meaning the alternative to a gun this size is something other than a gun.

I shall now begin the process of investigating whether there is an actual remedy to this, or if it is an engineering effort in progress.
But, one thing is for sure: when I can carry a bigger gun, I will carry a bigger gun.






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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: February/06/2019 at 12:14
They make replacement firing pins for those 365's that are made out of stronger metal.  Mot MIM.  Might be an option if you are concerned about it. 

https://shop.lspi.com/Steel-Striker-For-SIG-P365-Pistols-LS-7365.htm - https://shop.lspi.com/Steel-Striker-For-SIG-P365-Pistols-LS-7365.htm

Probably worth the $100 just for piece of mind.  I would have a hard time carrying a pistol that I was always worried could break.  But them again, the video reviews of the gen2 models seem to be working a lot better. 


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/06/2019 at 12:47
 Yea, that might be an option. I did just check my gun and it looks to be a gen3, with the beefier firing pin shoulder.

I don't see primer swipe complaints of G43s nor do I see complaints of the gen3 365s.


I think the best solution is to carry the 365 at the 2 o'clock position.  And a G43 at the 4 o'clock position, just to be sure.  And for that extra measure of certainty, I have a STI Tactical in a cross-draw at the 11 o'clock position.

Which begs the question: why even carry the sig or glock in the first place.

Rhetorical question.


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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: February/06/2019 at 12:54
Just wear a trench coat and carry a long gun or two as well.  Embarrassed

I keep considering getting a small pistol.  But I carry my service size XD on my hip daily.  I just always wear an un-tucked shirt and it is never an issue.  So I tell myself why.

My XD has many many rounds and have never had a single malfunction.  So I cannot bring myself to get something else.  I just trust it to much. 



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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: February/06/2019 at 17:47
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:



My XD has many many rounds and have never had a single malfunction. 



Have you replaced the striker retainer pin yet?


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: February/06/2019 at 17:53
I have not


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: February/07/2019 at 09:26
I understand that Sig is going to come out with a manual safety P365 to be Massivetwosh*ts compliant. If I could get my hands on one I could retire the PPK/S.


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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: February/07/2019 at 09:33
 They had the manual safety version at SHOT, but I don't know when it will release.

When it is available, I will get one.

I can "slum it" without a thumb safety, but still prefer one.  Old dog, old tricks, I guess.


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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: February/07/2019 at 09:50
I also prefer a manual safety, but I can wait till it's here.


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: helo18
Date Posted: February/14/2019 at 09:27
I played with one the other day, but didn't get to shoot it.  I do like the 10+1  in that size.  I think my 938 still feels better though and it shoots good, so I don't know that I will go away from it right now.  If I don't carry that, then I go up in size to my Springfield 1911 9mm, or the Sig P229 Legion 9 mm.

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/08/2019 at 14:18
what price are you guys paying/seeing for the P365?  I can get one local for $499.99.  I have a P2022 that I shoot very well and feel confident shooting it.  I have a Shield for carrying, but I don't carry that much.  I like the idea of having the same make in full size and carry, so thinking about getting a P365.  not sure what I would do with the Shield as I don't really enjoy shooting it. 

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/09/2019 at 09:00
That's a decent price.

I like mine very much.


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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/11/2019 at 07:19
Around $500 is as cheap as I've seen them.  Not many deals to be found on them

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/16/2019 at 20:52
made it to the range and put 200 rounds thru the P365.  Now I'm gonna have to trade my Shield... I like the Sig way too much.  feels better in my hand than the Shield... which is weird cause it smaller.  but the Sig is wider.  the trigger on the Sig is 100x better than the Shield too.
 
The only gripe I would have is that the trigger guard beat the hell out of my trigger finger.  I'm sure because of its size.  it shot both the Rem and the Win ammo just fine.  once I get a few more rounds thru it, I will shoot some carry rounds and adjust the site if needed.  it is painting these FMJs a little to the left.
 
not sure what gen this is... but the primers do show some drag... I will post some pics. 


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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/16/2019 at 20:54

P365



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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/16/2019 at 20:55
SP2022


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/16/2019 at 22:12
Whats the date of manufacture say on the case it came in?  The drag looks worse than mine did. My reloads were moderate powder charges though, so i am sure that makes a diff

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/16/2019 at 22:14
I ordered a couple 12 round mags so i get a little more purchase area. I am thinking it will help alot. I think my paws are on the larger than average size

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/17/2019 at 06:02
7 Mar 2019
the 12 round mag fits my hand better....  but they both feel fine.

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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/18/2019 at 08:16
Dang, you got a few days after it was made!

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/18/2019 at 08:33
Was that swipe representative of all or most?

That looks worse than mine did.

Do you have another subcompact with which to compare it?

At that date of manufacture, it is a gen3, and I haven't seen complaints of gen3 striker breaks.

I like mine very much.


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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/18/2019 at 21:22
I shot my Shield too.... but I guess I didn't pick up any empties.

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/18/2019 at 21:22
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Dang, you got a few days after it was made!
 
it almost doesn't seem possible!


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Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/19/2019 at 08:35
I guess with shipping handguns certain ways it can be quick to get to dealer

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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 12:43
I got my 12 round mags.  Man what a difference that made for me.  It completely changed things for the good.  I can hold the gun with much more stability now and manage the recoil a bit better.  I can grip it better when starting my draw stroke.  That 1/2 of grip made a huge diff. 

I also got a Blackpoint mini wing IWB holster, it is pretty nice.  Very compact, holds the gun very tight to my body and is very comfortable.  https://blackpointtactical.com/shop/miniwing/ - https://blackpointtactical.com/shop/miniwing/


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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 13:15
I like the holster, looks like it would work well. Mine rides in a CYA carbon fiber clip-on, and I like it, easy on/off and secure carry.

Yea, I too only carry the 12s, they are a marked improvement. I do note that under a tight grip, the mag torques in the well enough for me to notice, but not enough to have caused any manner of failure.

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Freedom is something you take.
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Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 13:40
Dang, that CYA is cute.   Roll on Floor Laughing




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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 13:43
Or, did you mean this one. 




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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 14:14
Which is carbon fiber? Because I said "carbon fiber."

But damn, now I wish I had gotten the other, it would match my favorite shoes!

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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 15:39
LOL    you mean you have the same color shoes as buds favorite G-String?!?!

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 15:57
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

LOL    you mean you have the same color shoes as buds favorite G-String?!?!





How would YOU know?


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: SVT_Tactical
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 16:19

Because unlike you I didn't pass out with the midgets after drinking Sambuca at the last party we all went too where Bud wore it while he did his rain dance that started all this wet season.  Nobody else got to spend any time with the midgets after you went in the back room with them and put the lock on the top of the door..... we are all still very upset with you



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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 17:03
shot it again today... really like the darn thing... I shoot it well.... under nice conditions.  I need to figure out a holster now.  I prefer hip holsters... but may need to experiment some.
 
here is a pic of a casing from my Shield.  I would say its better, but it still has some drag,  shaped like a triangle.
 


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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 17:06
I did notice that the Win casings showed a bit more drag than the Rem casings I was using in my Sig.  these are all FMJ target rounds so far.  fwtw


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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 17:08
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

I got my 12 round mags.  Man what a difference that made for me.  It completely changed things for the good.  I can hold the gun with much more stability now and manage the recoil a bit better.  I can grip it better when starting my draw stroke.  That 1/2 of grip made a huge diff. 

I also got a Blackpoint mini wing IWB holster, it is pretty nice.  Very compact, holds the gun very tight to my body and is very comfortable.  https://blackpointtactical.com/shop/miniwing/ - https://blackpointtactical.com/shop/miniwing/
 
what was the 12 round priced at?


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 17:28
$37

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/21/2019 at 20:10
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

$37
 
not bad


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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: March/22/2019 at 10:36
Originally posted by SVT_Tactical SVT_Tactical wrote:

Because unlike you I didn't pass out with the midgets after drinking Sambuca at the last party we all went too where Bud wore it while he did his rain dance that started all this wet season.  Nobody else got to spend any time with the midgets after you went in the back room with them and put the lock on the top of the door..... we are all still very upset with you












I would say, don't let me do that again, but the midgets are worth it. Especially the one with the red lips, long brown hair and eye lashes. I'm glad I took your advice, especially after your story about the bald one with the beard.


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: March/22/2019 at 10:49
On holsters, are you looking for belt or IWB?

On drag, I've now shot most of my small guns and they all show a fair bit. I think striker/firing pin design comes to bear greatly on longevity. Of the stuff I have shot and seen a significant drag, the G43 is the worst, and I find no complaints of broken strikers - or not many.

I too like the gun very much and am glad you like yours, having talked these up quite a bit.

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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/22/2019 at 12:42
belt is all I've ever worn.  not exactly sure with IWB is, but I'm not a slim dude, so inside my pants prolly not gonna be very comfortable

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Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: March/23/2019 at 09:13
what ammo are you guys using in your carry pieces?  And what are you using in your Home defense pieces?

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Posted By: Sparky
Date Posted: March/30/2019 at 11:20
Originally posted by Rancid Coolaid Rancid Coolaid wrote:


On drag, I've now shot most of my small guns and they all show a fair bit. I think striker/firing pin design comes to bear greatly on longevity. Of the stuff I have shot and seen a significant drag, the G43 is the worst, and I find no complaints of broken strikers - or not many.

Talking with Sig CS and was told that firing pin has a thicker neck to it due to the primer drag that they can’t seem to resolve. And was also told that the changes were on July 2018 and newer.


Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 19:41
Wow... been awhile since I've shot I guess.   anyway, windier than cack here today, but I got some trigger time in anyway.  the temps are up and I put 100 more rounds down the tube, without a glove today, and no issues, it shot great and felt even better!!    I even shot some 1 handed.  I have to figure out how to adjust these sights, cause it still prints low and to the left a bit.
 
most of the hits were in the "zone"   but I did have 2 that were way off... not sure what I did wrong on those two.  still shooting plinking rounds, so maybe it was a quality control issue, but it could have been me too.  a flinch or something.  of the 100 I fired, I picked up 99 of the brass.  So 1 might have been me for sure.


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 20:47
Shooting left may mean not enough finger on the trigger so you push it left. Low often means a slight mash. That might help

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 20:49
For that gun, I run the lighter stuff with the red filler in the cavity, they print perfectly and do the job downrange from short barrels, I hear.

For my bigger stuff, it is Federal LE or the tried-n-true hydra-shok. I know there is newer stuff, but I've seen what the do.

I have a mix of everything, but these are what I have most of. That said, I run a 9mm SBR too, that gets 147-gr Browning - something. I can look if you really care.

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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 21:32
Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:

Shooting left may mean not enough finger on the trigger so you push it left. Low often means a slight mash. That might help
 
most of the early shots were in coldish weather and I wore a glove cause it beat the sh*t out of my trigger finger (recoil I think)  Today was warmer weather and I took the glove off... seemed like I got my finger on the trigger all the way.   I will pay more attention next time out.   I need to buy carry ammo now and get a good picture of how that works and go from there.


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Posted By: supertool73
Date Posted: May/22/2019 at 22:17
Before you move sights. I would have another competent shooter or two see how they shoot with it. 

I have owned between 20 and 30 handguns over the years and so far none of mine have needed sight adjustments.  Not saying it don’t happen but i think they are on much more often than off.  

I have watched lots of students in pistol classes complain their sights are off so an instructor will grab their gun and hit right where they aim. 

This chart may help some.




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Lifetime warranty and excellent customer service don't mean a thing when your gun fails during a zombie attack.

"A Liberal is a person who will give away everything they don't own."


Posted By: Tip69
Date Posted: May/23/2019 at 08:20
ok.  it might be a recoil thing... I had a similar issue with a Taurus carry size.  I don't have issues with larger handguns, so I assumed it was the sights.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: June/27/2019 at 11:13
Alrighty, in a moment of weakness, and because I didn't already have one, I broke down and bought a P365 yesterday. Mine was manufactured this month, so it incorporates the changes Sig made (but refuses to talk about) to the radius size at the base of the firing pin projection on the striker. Anyway, the P365 does have a very good trigger, very nice sights, and it was simply hard for me to ignore the black magic of a gun that's slightly smaller than a Glock 43 but offers 4 more rounds mag capacity (and 6 more in the 12+1 mag!). 

Hopefully I'll take her to the range this weekend...if it ever stops raining!


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Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/27/2019 at 12:00
As said on another thread here, the 365 now has a 15-round mag option. It extends significantly beyond the base of the gun, but is a good option for backup mags.

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Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: June/27/2019 at 13:15
I see I haven't posted here since I've shot the manual safety P365, so here goes.
The P365 came with 2 10 round mags, and I picked up a new Sig 12 round mag as well. All 3 mags have different bases, with one 10 rounder having no hook at the base to support the little finger, something I don't need. The other 10 and 12 round mags have the supports for the little finger with the 12 rounder being slightly longer than the 10 round mag. Since the P365 is replacing the PPK/s and will be an off duty/backup weapon, the 15 round magazine isn't needed right now.

I shot the P365 at reduced size steel torso targets from about 15 and 20 yards. I was standing in the shade and a thunderstorm was rolling in, so the light wasn't great. I also only shot 32 rounds from the 3 fully loaded mags because of the storm.

I was afraid that when I fired the pistol with 115gr. fmj Federal 9mm it may be a little snappy, uncomfortable, and a little uncontrollable. To my pleasant surprise, it was as comfortable if not more so than the PPK/s was. Not having to worry about shooting an uncomfortable pistol made it easy to make hits on my 2 targets. So easy that I tried to hit my steel target at 60yds with a round or two. I might need a little more practice to pull that one off. I was able to make head shots on my 15 and 20yd targets though. So far from what I can tell, this is an accurate little pistol for it's purpose. It beats a snub nose .38 in my opinion.

The safety was easy enough to operate, and the mag release was too. Again, for what this pistol is, the controls are reasonably easy to use. I have no complaints about the sights; they were easy to pick up and use. If I had any complaint about this pistol, it would be loading the magazines. They were like loading the last 2 rounds in a new Glock magazine for almost every round, and I had just loaded 3 new Glock magazines 3 times each. Maybe my thumb was just sore and tired, but the P365 mags weren't easy to load.

Overall I REALLY like the P365. It's not a duty pistol, but it is a great off duty/backup pistol. It's a great replacement for the pistol I carried for over 40 years for the same job.


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: June/27/2019 at 13:53
Yeah, I didn’t want to pick up a 15 round mag due to length. Mine came with the 12-rounder as well as 2 10s, with the same base plate difference Lynn mentioned above. I don’t want the grip to protrude any more than the 12- round mag provides and I feel 12+1 with an additional 10 on hand is plenty for carry. 

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Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: June/27/2019 at 15:08
The mags are indeed not pleasant to load, and they seem to stay that way, or mine has. There is good and bad in that: they don't take much of a "set", as some springs do; but they don't get easier to load either.

This is not a "fun at the range" gun anyway, so I am good with very reliable mags.

I'll get a few 15s to keep in car and vest, but yea, if I need a service weapon, this ain't it, but it'll do in a pinch.

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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/05/2019 at 23:30
Took the P365 on its maiden range session today, along with my PPQ. Put 100 rounds through each. I was very surprised at how well I was able to shoot the little P365! It was far more controllable than I expected, and I was able to shoot it as “flat” as the PPQ. The 12 round mag certainly helps in that regard by providing more real estate for my hands. 

I had no malfunctions/stoppages of any kind. Groups out of the P365 were only about 20% larger than the PPQ, a gun I have about 3000 rounds through and just feels right to me. Considering how tiny the P365 is compared to the PPQ and the fact this was my first range session with it, I’m ecstatic over how well it shoots! Setting it side by side with my other pistolas, I’m still stunned by its mag capacity:size ratio! Even with the 12 rd mag, it’s smaller than all but 2 or 3 single stack micro nines I’m aware of. Because of this, I will most likely carry it in 12+1 config if it continues to perform as it did today.

I tried to come up with something to criticize about the P365, and the only real criticism I can come up with is the last 2 rounds are tough to load into the magazine, especially that final round. In fact, thumb soreness was what limited today’s round count to 100. 

So far so good!


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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: July/06/2019 at 10:20
Mine is still going strong, no issues yet. I like mine quite a bit.

As for the others, the M17 and the Xfive, they are also fun to shoot. I gotta say, for plinking, the Xfive is my favorite gun to shoot: plenty of ammo, super-fine aiming point with the green fiber optic, great ergonomics, entirely usable trigger, and it now wears an RMS and is very quick on target.

Sig does indeed mess up at times, but I do not count MY new guns among those mess-ups. Had I bought a gen1 365 and had a firing pin breakage, I would definitely be singing a very different tune.

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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/06/2019 at 12:12
I have mixed feelings toward Sig as a company. On the one hand, I've always been a fan of their products, having owned a P229 and P239 for a long time, and more recently bought one of their suppressors, and now the P365. On the other hand, I really lost a lot of respect for them based on their recent attitude toward well-known design issues they've had that they chose to "sweep under the rug" rather than acknowledge and address in a responsible manner.

I don't fault them for design flaws and mistakes. Most companies who manufacture anything with any mechanical complexity in sufficiently large volume will make them sooner or later. It's how you handle your mistakes and your attitude toward your customers that matters.

Sig's behavior during the P320/M17 drop safety fiasco was simply inexcusable. If the same had happened with, say, Ruger, they would have immediately owned up to the mistake, done a mandatory recall by advertising in all firearms media telling their customers that the design is unsafe without the recall parts installed, and promptly replaced the parts. Ruger and other responsible firearms manufacturers go above and beyond in their concern for their customers' safety. Not Sig. To this day, they steadfastly maintain that the original design is still "safe," that the consumer should just be diligent in making sure he doesn't drop the gun, and called the remedy to the problem a "voluntary upgrade." They described the problem as "minimal" in frequency and said "these incidents occurred in conditions that appear to be outside of normal testing protocols." Rather than admit that the purpose of the "upgraded trigger" was to reduce mass so that trigger inertia could not cause the pistol to fire when dropped on the rear of the slide, Sig chose to explain the new trigger thusly: "the new trigger for the P320 pistol will feature a thinner profile and reduced mass. This is expected to improve the trigger-pull experience." Rather than admit the addition of a trigger bar disconnector was done to enhance drop safety, they chose to describe that addition thusly: "the updated slide will feature a disconnect notch near the striker assembly. This is a mechanical improvement over the previous commercial series of P320 pistols. These changes are expected to refine functionality for the pistol and improve both its ergonomics and performance." Wow!

See the Q&A from their website today, where they still deflect responsibility for a potentially dangerous condition with very carefully worded language:

https://www.sigsauer.com/support/p320-voluntary-upgrade/#FAQ - https://www.sigsauer.com/support/p320-voluntary-upgrade/#FAQ

As it pertains to the P365, they never publicly acknowledged the design flaws in the original gen that led to firing pin breakage, taking the same "nothing to see here folks" attitude they did with the P320 drop safety issue. Yet they tacitly admitted there was a problem by quietly redesigning the striker with a larger radius at the base of the firing pin protrusion...



When anyone sent in a first gen P365 for service, they installed the new striker on the bottom whether it needed replacement or not, without telling the customer it's a new design. This way, they avoid having to admit they made a mistake. Just another "upgrade" that they're providing the customer out of the goodness of their hearts.

Sig offers great products once the bugs are all worked out. Again, I don't fault Sig for making mistakes, and I feel that occasional mistakes are just part of the design process when offering something new and entirely different from previous designs. I'm a fan of many of Sig's products. So far, I really love the current P365 and hope it continues to love me back over the long haul. I would have bought a P365 much sooner had it not been for the cavalier attitude Sig has shown toward their loyal customers for their mistakes, as I believe the design to be a true game changer. It's hard to ignore a 12+1 capacity gun, with a good trigger, great OEM sights, good ergonomics, that shoots great, AND still manages to be a bit smaller than a G43! Still, Sig Sauer as a company entity needs to take a few lessons in humility and corporate ethics from competitors like Ruger.


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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: July/07/2019 at 13:34
I agree they handle it in terrible ways, no question. I take issue with Trijicon for similar reasons, the primary difference being people generally cannot be killed by their product flaws.

Sig makes some awesome stuff, and doesn't like to talk about it when they do not.

The current gen 365 is a good one, and I carry it due to the thing, not the company or their many failures.


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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.


Posted By: BeltFed
Date Posted: July/23/2019 at 10:09
Gee Ted, I hate it when you hold your feelings back.

Now I'm not giving Sig a pass over these issues, but they are certainly not the only well known and respected firearms company to do the same thing they did. Ever wonder why Smith&Wesson has a Model 66, a model 66-2, a 66-3, etc.. If you asked S&W back in the day, they would tell you they were manufacturing improvements, and not tell you they were changes made as a result of a law suit or design defects discovered by police departments. I had to remove a bunch of trigger stops from S&W revolvers, as directed by S&W because they lost a law suit, but the order was only for LE revolvers. I had to find out from the FBI that the Mod. 66 I was carrying could lock up if I fired to many .357 magnums in a short period of time, and the dash 2 had a heat shield that would prevent that. Never saw any kind of notice from S&W about that, but there was a 66-2.
These are just a few examples from one company, so it's not uncommon, and I loved S&W (not so much now).
The other thing you have to consider, Sig is a German company, and Germans are never wrong, they are just not done making improvements yet.

Anyway, I got a chance to shoot the 365 some more over the weekend, and I am really liking this little pistol more and more.


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Life's concerns should be about the 120lb pack your trying to get to the top of the mountain, and not the rock in your boot.


Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: July/23/2019 at 10:41
Glad to hear. I saw the XL came out, might have to handle one and see if it is needed.

In the heat of summer, the 365 is usually very close by me, it has yet to suffer any manner of failure.

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Freedom is something you take.
Respect is something you earn.
Equality is something you whine about not being given.



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