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Topic: Iraq Optic Reviews
Posted By: Chris8541
Subject: Iraq Optic Reviews
Date Posted: May/03/2007 at 08:38
Ladies/Gentlemen,

I am approaching the end of my tour as a Designated Marksman with a U. S. Army LRS Company in Northwestern Iraq. I was also a USMC Scout Sniper during Desert Storm in 1990-1991. The last year has afforded me the chance to evaluate several different optics/weapon systems in combat as well as range sessions during down time on the sniper range here in Tall Afar at FOB Sykes. I have extensive experience with the following optics:ACOG TA31DOC,ACOG TA01NSN,EOTECH,M68 CCO(Aimpoint),PVS22 UNS,PVS14 NOD,PEQ2A,Insight Technologies CQB TWS,PAS13B TWS,Leupold Mark4 4.5-14 M1,Leupold Mark4 3.5-10 M3,Bushnell 3200 Elite 10x40 Mildot,NVEC 6x Raptor,USMC 10X Unertl,AN/PVS4 Weapon Sight.I have used these optics on the M4, M21, M24, SSG, M82A1, and M107 weapon systems. I have learned a great deal about what works/what does not in the real world. I will gladly provide whatever assistance I can with information on these optics. I go several days at a time without internet access when on mission cycles, so please be patient with me.

Semper Fi


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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA



Replies:
Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/03/2007 at 08:59

Welcome to OT, Chris!

 

We certainly welcome your observations, my friend, but more importantly, take care of yourself and your buddies, and know that despite what you hear in the press, there are many of us out here who support your mission.  I have the utmost respect and admiration for you and anyone who volunteers to serve our country.

 

Semper Fi!



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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: silver
Date Posted: May/03/2007 at 09:31

 

Keep up the good work and watch your ass!



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Posted By: ceylonc
Date Posted: May/03/2007 at 11:18

Great to have you here Chris.  Take care of yourself & stay safe!



Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/03/2007 at 12:48

 

 

Stay Safe.

 



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Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/03/2007 at 15:03

Your commentary is most welcome, my friend!!

 

Godspeed and stay safe.



Posted By: Rancid Coolaid
Date Posted: May/03/2007 at 16:05

Chris, welcome.

 

Why the switch to the dark side?  An 8541 in my beloved Corps and now an Army DM?

 

During my time in the monkey suit, I always loved the Unertl - incredibly strong, incredibly dependable, great glass.

 

 

I would say, "Be safe", but that'd mean not being shot at - so be better than your opponenet who is trying to kill you.



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Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/03/2007 at 21:39
Good Morning From Iraq!

Thanks to all for the warm welcome. I will hit all the questions here due to the fact that I type very slowly and am limited to 30 mins. on the MWR computer. I ended up in the Army Guard because the USMC told me I was too old to reenlist. I could not complete 20 years of service prior to reaching age 60 on reserve points. I then went shopping for a Guard unit that was headed for a combat zone with sniper billets in Georgia, where I was working at the time. (I still call Midlothian, Texas home!!!)The LRS Unit was by far the most squared away outfit I talked to so I took their PT test and technical interview and here I am. I subsequently got a waiver from the Commandant of the Marine Corps to reenlist in the USMCR but was already on orders to come to Iraq with LRS. I may look at the Recon BN unit in ATL when I get back-I was with 2nd and 3rd Force when I was in the Corps(primary MOS 0321). As for the 300 WM optic-We have had really bad luck over here with the Leupold M3 scopes on the M24 and M21. The tiny set screws on the turrets tend to slip during dope changes causing a loss of zero. This mandates that we fire a confirmation shot at the end of each range session to verify that the optic is back on its 100M zero. This is a good practice but is impractical and often impossible during a combat mission for obvious reasons. Also, the 1 MOA elevation graduations are way too coarse for fine work at long ranges. We also get 50 degree temp variations over here from early morning to afernoon so the turret range marks for our 7.62 175gr LR ammo become unusable. I have had a little better success with the M1 turrets on our Barretts but have had a few of those slip as well. I much prefer their 1/4 MOA graduations. I haven't seen a single 300WM or a 338 Lapua since I have been here, although I think either would work great in this environment and get me some precision out past where I can go with the M118LR. Ammunition would definitely be an issue. (We get fresh pineapple and kiwi flown in everyday from the Phillipines but can't get training ammo for what we have!!). I have no experience with USO or Nightforce, but they both seem to have excellent reputations. I think 22x is probably a waste of time-anything greater than about 10-12x turns the target into a shimmering blurr at our typical engagement ranges. I ordered a 300WM Rem 700 PSS a few months ago and intend to put a 10x42 Super Sniper on it when I get home. I would much prefer to have a Super Sniper on my M24. BTW, my M24 has the McCann 20MOA rail system and ARMS rings-great setup! I hope this helps. Can you post pics on here??-I have a bunch.

Semper Fidelis

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/04/2007 at 08:31

Chris, you have my utmost respect, friend!  Shoot straight, and keep the insider info coming, as we don't get the real scoop on the news.  Yes, you can post pics using the "image upload" icon right above the message editing space (the icon with the mountain, sun, and up arrow, just right of the "modify font" icon).

 

Your observations of having too much magnification are dead-on, as I've seen the exact same effects of going beyond about 12X with regards to amplifying mirage.  Just another example of why more is not necessarily better.

 

I live in McKinney, TX and have lived in NE Texas for most of my life, so we're neighbors!

 

Take care and God speed!

 

 



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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: ceylonc
Date Posted: May/04/2007 at 09:39

Chris,

 

Thanks so much for the update!  I'm very excited about your willingness to contribute to the forum.  All of us here are thankful for your service and hope that you will return safe & sound when your tour is complete.

 

If it is ok for you to answer, would you mind sharing your "typical" engagement range in the sandbox? 

 

Thanks!



Posted By: silver
Date Posted: May/04/2007 at 11:27

 

 

Chris,

 

As a second generation Guardsman your brief flirt with those people with the funny name for hats is understood.  Hey it happens... Now ,just don't get in a hurry for a promotion

 

Btw what binoculars are they issueing you guys? How are they holding up?



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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: May/04/2007 at 12:55
I would love to hear your impression of the EOTech vs. the Aimpoint.

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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/04/2007 at 13:26

 

 

Stay Safe

 



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Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/05/2007 at 10:07
Hello From Tall Afar!

I will try to hit all the questions above real quickly. Our "typical" engagement ranges are based on many factors, as you might imagine (terrain, weather, time of day, target type, weapon system, etc.), but have been running 300-800 meters in our AO. One of my buddies took out a bongo truck at 1700 meters with a M107 last week, so there are exceptions! I have a set of issued Fuji M24 binos. They are compact size with a mil-scale. They are pretty handy and very rugged with good glass. We use a Leupold Mark 4 spotting scope-very good piece of gear, although the tripod has worn completely out and requires a good wrapping with 100mph tape to stabilize it. By far the best optic we employ in the sniper business is our Viper bino/laser RF. I will really miss this thing in the civilian world! It interfaces with our PLGR and will give azimuth, distance, inclination angle, and 10-digit grid to targets 10 km away. I have NEVER lased anything inside 10,000 meters that it wouldn’t handle. It works with our PVS14s so it is night vision capable. It does use some wild batteries that are hard to find, but other than that, it is about as good as it gets. The Eotech vs. Aimpoint debate is a no-brainer-the Eotech wins hands-down. We have a Connex box full of Aimpoints, Eotechs, and ACOGs(TA31s and TA01s) and my M4 wears an Eotech 98% of the time. We work with ODA frequently and do CQB every week with them. Many of their operators mount their Eotechs on top of removable carry handles to aid in rapid acquisition of the sight while wearing the IBA. I have never seen even one of them with an Aimpoint. I have done a bunch of breech-and-clears this deployment and can’t say enough good things about the Eotech. A few of the things I like about it-1MOA dot, unobstructed field of view, ruggedness, integral mount, and it uses batteries I can buy at the PX(this is a HUGE advantage). I have an Aimpoint on a civilian M4 and think it is also a good piece of gear but when my life is on the line I will take the Eotech every time. One feature of the Eotech that I think is a waste of money is the ”NV Capable” models. Don’t bother with it. I have NEVER used this feature. The normal models will dim sufficiently for use with NODS. I have mounted a PVS14 in front of my Eotech just to try it and still had a few clicks of “dim” left on the normal reticle illumination when viewing through the PVS14. Same for the PVS22. If your NODS are mounted on your ACH rhino mount or a skull-crusher, you’ll never get your head in position to use the dot on the Eotech anyway-you’ll be using your PEQ2A for targeting. My guys do NODS-down entries with their NODS over their non-shooting eye using their PEQ2As for targeting and their optics turned up bright because there soon will be white light, I promise! Another great feature of both Aimpoint and Eotech is that they are both parallax free. This is a huge advantage because it is impossible to attain proper sight-alignment and sight picture with iron sights while wearing all of the ridiculous stuff we are required to don when doing an entry. We even have Eotechs mounted on our M2s!! I attached a pic of me with my M4 as I normally carry it for CQB or LRS missions. It has stock front sight, DPMS detachable rear sight, Eotech, PEQ2A, and a M203 with multi-projectile round incase all of the above quits working simultaneously!

Semper Fi!!


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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/05/2007 at 10:17

Thanks for the SITREP, Chris.

 

Is the EOTECH mounted on your M4 a 550 model??

VLTOR stock??

 

What side arm are you issued?

An M9? If so, how's it performing for you?? 

 

 



Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/05/2007 at 10:45
The Eotech is an AA Battery, NV model, which I believe is the 552. The VLTOR stock is awesome-love the cheekweld it gives and it carries enough spare batteries for everything. I also like the QD swivel feature. Mine came with a TangoDown pistol grip, which is a little small for me but another place to put batteries for GPS, NODS, etc. I carry a SIG226. Almost all of us have gotten rid of the M9 after we had 2 stovepipes in our platoon during combat. I don't have enough experience with the M9 to make a call either way. I love my SIG and several of my buddies have Glock 17s or 19s. Back on the block, I carry a Kimber Tactical Pro II in 45ACP.

Semper Fi!

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/06/2007 at 16:59

Chris, thanks very much for your commentary, it's much appreciated, as well as your service.

 

Is there anything you or your platoon needs as far as gear is concerned??

I have some stuff here I would gladly send to you or one of your mates.

 

Optics, scopes, rings, flashlights, batteries, magazines, etc??

Anything I don't have on hand I could pick up CONUS and send your way.

 

I'm not sure what we can send you to your APO as far as restricted items, but I would like to extend some help with gear, if your so inclined. 

If your interested, just post here or hit me with a PM or email and I'll see what I can do.

 

Godspeed, Chris.

 

Respectfully,

Mark Stafford

mailto:cheaptrick@carolina.rr.com - cheaptrick@carolina.rr.com



Posted By: ceylonc
Date Posted: May/06/2007 at 19:22
Originally posted by cheaptrick cheaptrick wrote:

Chris, thanks very much for your commentary, it's much appreciated, as well as your service.

 

Is there anything you or your platoon needs as far as gear is concerned??

I have some stuff here I would gladly send to you or one of your mates.

 

Optics, scopes, rings, flashlights, batteries, magazines, etc??

Anything I don't have on hand I could pick up CONUS and send your way.

 

I'm not sure what we can send you to your APO as far as restricted items, but I would like to extend some help with gear, if your so inclined. 

If your interested, just post here or hit me with a PM or email and I'll see what I can do.

 

Godspeed, Chris.

 

Respectfully,

Mark Stafford

mailto:cheaptrick@carolina.rr.com - cheaptrick@carolina.rr.com

 

+1 Thanks so much for your service & willingness to interact with us who are state-side. 

 

Please include a list of stuff that might be of help to you and your brothers in the Corps.  Maybe a few of us can try to get some stuff together.  If you don't want to post a list for everybody to see, feel free to send me one via the "PM" (aka--Private Message) feature in this forum. 

 

cheaptrick, feel free to keep me in the loop on this.  I'd be honored to help out in any way possible.



Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/06/2007 at 21:28
Good Morning!!

Thanks to everyone for your offers to help us out!! We are pretty set on gear but some good magazines are always appreciated! "Guns and Ammo" shows up at the PX sporadically but that's about it. If you have some old mags that your going to trash or a Shotgun News or Gunlist, that would be great. You can send to me and I will distribute to my LRS brothers:

SGT Christopher Avery
Task Force Spectre
APO AE 09351

THANKS AGAIN TO ALL!!

Semper Fi!

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/06/2007 at 22:40

+2, Chris.  I'd be happy to send any needed supplies to you or any of your buddies.  Feel free to email or PM me as well.

 

I'll round up some old hunting and shooting mags and send to you.  If there's anything else you need, please don't hesitate to ask.

 

Best regards,

Ted Winkle

 

mailto:tannah421@earthlink.net - tannah421@earthlink.net

 



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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/07/2007 at 09:36

I have a STACK of old Fur-Fish and Game mags if your interested, Chris.

Great old rag for an old school hunting/fishing/trapper types amongst you.

 

How about batteries?

(You mentioned buying batteries @ the PX to run your EO's and other optics.) 

 

I'll PM you with some details on more gear, Chris.

 

All the best!



Posted By: koshkin
Date Posted: May/07/2007 at 12:31
If you want shooting/hunting magazines, I am pretty sure I have 20-30lbs of them sitting on the shelf and collecting dust.

Cheaptrick, should we send them separately? or if you are planning to assemble a larger parcel with other stuff, I can send them over to you and you can send everything together.  I'll be more than happy to split the cost of shipping and of whatever else you end up sending.

ILya


Posted By: ceylonc
Date Posted: May/07/2007 at 13:54

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

If you want shooting/hunting magazines, I am pretty sure I have 20-30lbs of them sitting on the shelf and collecting dust.

Cheaptrick, should we send them separately? or if you are planning to assemble a larger parcel with other stuff, I can send them over to you and you can send everything together.  I'll be more than happy to split the cost of shipping and of whatever else you end up sending.

ILya

 

I have some American Rifleman and Entrepreneur magazines that I could send over.  If it's decided to send this as one large parcel, please let me know where to send my stash.  If not, I'll just send what I have myself.

 

Thanks guys!



Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/07/2007 at 14:04

I'd be happy to gather everything up and ship it, or we could possibly just have everyone ship it directly to Chris's unit, Dark Lord.

 

I'm available and open to all suggestions. 

Maybe I should start an idependent post in Anything Goes and get the message out to more folks.  

There's a tremendous amount of resources and people that I'm sure would want to be included in this deal.

 

 



Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: May/07/2007 at 14:10

cheaptrick

keep me posted on where to send some items.If you don't mind.

 

Big



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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: May/07/2007 at 15:44

Me too.  I talked to some guys at work, and they are willing to send magazines as well.  I hope we don't go overboard and bury them in magazines, though.

 

Chris,

If there are batteries, toilet paper, bug juice, or anything else you think would be useful, please let us know.  We would be honored to make life just a little easier for you in any way we can.



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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: May/07/2007 at 15:50

The last care package we sent was all Copenhagen and Skoal, we offered to send batteries, etc. but that is all they wanted.

I stopped dipping a long time ago, I think I would puke now if I got a dip of Copenhagan



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Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/07/2007 at 20:52
Hey Guys!!

The offers to send stuff are sincerely appreciated!! The magazines would be GREAT!! I can distribute them-we are about 1800 soldiers here at FOB Sykes and if a ton of mags show up, they will be welcome at the MWR. I would say about 80% of the guys in my company dip-mostly Copenhagen. I am not one of them! Many of them have vowed to quit effective 01June07 and there is a pool worth several hundred dollars betting on the individual that fails first (and gets caught!!). It would probably be a bad idea if a care-package full of Copenhagen showed up about that time. We have plenty of batteries, wet-wipes, etc. You are all really great and your support means alot, especially considering that crap we are forced to endure via the Clinton News Network on AFN 3 times a day in the chow hall! Another GREAT piece of gear I have used over here if you are interested-the Eberlestock Phantom rucksack. Write when you can-chrisavery5@yahoo.com.

Semper Fi!!

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/07/2007 at 22:22

 



 

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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/08/2007 at 02:55

Thanks, Ufriend.

Are we better served sending the stuff to Chris individually, or bunching it up and sending it in one big box?

 

  

 



Posted By: telsonman
Date Posted: May/08/2007 at 10:31

ah yes, GA guard in iraq. i've been there. i'm guessing you're H company. i also was a SDM, and did many sniper missions with an m24. lucky for me though i was in baghdad, and not in the sandpit that is tal afar. lots of nothing up there.

 

anyway, if you want to send alcohol, do it with clear liquors, like vodka. we had people send it in water bottles or listerine bottles. they never really check mail like you think they do.  its best to send stuff like beef jerky and gummy bears and such. there is always an abundant supply of q-tips and shampoo and baby wipes from church groups and stuff that send thousands of packages over there.  my favorite packages that got sent to me containted a huge assortment of beef jerky (jack links is great), cookies(homemade), oatmeal creme pies, fruit snacks(like fruit roll ups), and sugar candy like sweet tarts. you'd be surprised how much stuff can be bought at the PX, so don't send basic stuff. send stuff that they could only get at home. 



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11 Bravo
OIF III-IV
Baghdad, Iraq


Posted By: sandsock
Date Posted: May/08/2007 at 21:47

Glad to see the interest in sending a care package, I think it would be a noble effort...my only observation is that gun rags are worth their weight in gold only because the queers and frat boys apparently running AAFES during my stint never had any other them on the shelf, other than G&A, which I don't have much use for, for reasons I won't go into here (fuddy duddies).  It used to blow my mind that good hearted souls kept sending things commonly available at the PX....I think the images and newscasts from OIF 1 still had a lot of sway.....best care packages were the homemade cookies from my Aunt's (Temple TX) church group and the coffee grinder from my wife (to grind up all the whole bean starbucks that had been sitting around for months when no one had a grinder....that's rough livin.



Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/09/2007 at 09:42

Semper Fi

 



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Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/09/2007 at 16:09

I'm getting my box together as best I can.

Work has reared it's ugly head and we are slammed!!

 

Fur-Fish-Game magazines and maybe I can get The Warden (wife) to make some cookies for you hard chargers!!

 

Got to run!! 

 

Chris, feel free to suggest some more/differant stuff for you guys.



Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/09/2007 at 18:34

 Stay Safe



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Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/10/2007 at 02:28
Hello Gents,

Telsonman was center-mass. Good Ol' Company H LRS. Thanks again to everyone for your support. Besides the magazines, anything like beef-jerkey, tuna in a pouch, granola bars, etc. is always good to throw in a ruck. Starbucks or other decent coffee is always a treat and we have a grinder per platoon. I am actually starting to mail stuff home-less than 90 days left now!!! Summer showed up in force and the days are getting up in the 110's already. (Changes my elevation dope). I am heading for the boonies for several days "doing the job" and will send you some traffic we we get back to the FOB. Take care and thanks again!!

Chris

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/10/2007 at 03:36

Folks, let's maintain OPSEC on this deal.

 

Anybody wanting to send a package to Chris and his mates, PM me or Ufriend for that information.



Posted By: ceylonc
Date Posted: May/10/2007 at 09:22

Originally posted by Chris8541 Chris8541 wrote:

Hello Gents,

Telsonman was center-mass. Good Ol' Company H LRS. Thanks again to everyone for your support. Besides the magazines, anything like beef-jerkey, tuna in a pouch, granola bars, etc. is always good to throw in a ruck. Starbucks or other decent coffee is always a treat and we have a grinder per platoon. I am actually starting to mail stuff home-less than 90 days left now!!! Summer showed up in force and the days are getting up in the 110's already. (Changes my elevation dope). I am heading for the boonies for several days "doing the job" and will send you some traffic we we get back to the FOB. Take care and thanks again!!

Chris

 

Take care & thanks for the update.  We're all hoping for you and your brothers' safe return.

 

I know my question is trivial when you are risking your life on dangerous missions. I'm going to ask since you mentioned in your original post that you'd be happy to answer a few from us.

 

Is the standard 7.62x51 round being used in your sniper platform the M118LR?  If so, what kind of accuracy and performance are you experiencing? 

Also, when do the units in the sandbox expect to start using the Schmidt & Bender scope recently adopted by your beloved Corps?  I'm curious what you & other snipers/designated marksmen think about the switch to the S&B.

 

Thanks again for your time & service.  Take care.



Posted By: telsonman
Date Posted: May/10/2007 at 16:01
when i was there all we could get our hands on was m118SB. it was quite good, but it still had its flaws. it did not group as well as the LR.  i shot m118 match while at ft. stewart, and again, it was like the SB. it didn't really matter too much until you had targets past 600m, thats when it really showed. thats my 2 cents anyway...

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11 Bravo
OIF III-IV
Baghdad, Iraq


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/10/2007 at 16:11
telsonman, PM inbound.


Posted By: sandsock
Date Posted: May/12/2007 at 08:31

Chris,

   Had an idea here, many places do the "NRA Round-up" why not do a "Support a Soldier" round up and ask people if they'd like to make a donation (either rounding up to nearest dollar, or nearest 5 or 10 dollar increment....i.e. $215.95 order rounded to $220 would be $4.05) to keep this type of thing going....I don't have a lot of time to send things to you....but I'd put in some cash....and I think a lot of people would be willing to as well....only thing better would be "Send a Soldier a SS Scope" campaign.



Posted By: ceylonc
Date Posted: May/12/2007 at 08:41

Originally posted by telsonman telsonman wrote:

when i was there all we could get our hands on was m118SB. it was quite good, but it still had its flaws. it did not group as well as the LR.  i shot m118 match while at ft. stewart, and again, it was like the SB. it didn't really matter too much until you had targets past 600m, thats when it really showed. thats my 2 cents anyway...

 

Very interesting.  I don't know very much about M118SB.  What are the differences (beside your stated fact that it's not quite as accurate past 600m) between this round and M118LR?  Was "field performance" satisfactory (I don't know how to tactfully ask that question; if I'm crossing the line please accept my apologies in advance)?

 

Thanks!



Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/12/2007 at 12:04


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/13/2007 at 07:30
Hey Guys!!

I ended up back at the FOB early-for a REALLY good reason-we needed to get more ammo for our crew-served weapons. Anyway, I am shooting exclusively M118LR in my M24 and M118SB in the M21. The Leupold Mk3 turrets are set up for these rounds on the respective weapons. When I was in the Corps, our sniper ammo was the old "LC Match"-stamped ammo which I recall fired a 173gr stepped boattail projectile at 2650fps. I am pleased with both the accuracy and terminal ballistics of both the SB and the LR ammo. The USMC S&B optic, I have no clue on but if it is as good as the Unertl it is intended to replace it will be a winner. I get about a .5 MOA elevation change per 20 degrees F change in temperature with the M24/M118LR ammo. (Hotter temp equals flatter trajectory, obviously). The turrets on the Leupold appear to be calibrated at something like 60 degrees F according to my Horus ballistic program, but I would consult Leupold for a confirmation on that. I am using the 5.11 watch with the Horus program as a backup-good piece of gear except that the analog hands get in the way of the firing solution digital readouts. Again, your support is appreciated!! Send me some more questions!! How about a "Send a Sniper Some New ROEs That Will Let Him Do His Job" campaign! Oh, if we could only control that, right guys!!

Chris Out

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/13/2007 at 07:50

Thanks for the intel dump, Chris. Glad you made it back safely!!

 

I'm standing by for Mom's peanut butter cookies to send, and then your box goes out to you.

 

I'm interested in what type, if any shotguns you guys utilize for CQB operations.

I'm hearing the Marines are using Mossberg 590A1's, but I'm not sure what the Army uses. 



Posted By: sandsock
Date Posted: May/13/2007 at 15:51
I was at a shooting competition in 1996 and I spoke to an Olin rep there who told me they had recently developed the LR load for the military in conjunction with the AMU who averaged 13 inch groups at 1000 yds vs 20 inch groups with SB.  It was said M852 ran pretty accurate in the M21 but we never got our hands on any, I did see a bunch of it sold on the CMP website a couple years back and I'm wondering if it's even in use anywhere, all I've seen lately is SB and LR?


Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/15/2007 at 21:31
Hello From Tall Afar!

I am going to do some "technical hunting" next week down south so I drew an additional M107 from our local ODA Team. It has a Leupold 4-14x50 optic with 30mm tube mounted. I have not seen turrets like the ones mounted on it-they are not M1 or M3 and appear to be some type of "target" turret with 1/4 MOA clicks and 15 MOA per revolution. They have metal screw-on caps that cover the turrets (that will be tough not to loose in the field). The scope also has a USMC "football" mil-dot reticle-YES!! I am taking the weapon to the range tonight to see how the turrets work in the dark. Anybody used one of these before? Also, we don't have shotguns, although they would be great for the 1-man in a CQB stack for clearing the "mud huts" we typically work with here. We used them in our work-up for door breaching but the doors over here are usually just thin tin sheets. If we need to get past something heavier, we'll just have the engineer blow it-more fun anyway! The shotguns we used were REM 870's with short barrels and pistol grips. I have seen some Mossbergs in the chow hall carried by MPs. Take Care!!

Semper Fi!

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/16/2007 at 14:16


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/27/2007 at 01:15
Hello Guys,

Back on the FOB after a long, hot 7 days and nights in the boonies laying on an optic. Attached a pic of my M107 configured for night ops. It has a new Leupold Mark 4 LR/T 4.5x14x50 and a PVS22. The last night was 40% illum and I could easily see dismount targets at 1.5K with the 22. Had a great time-wish you were here to enjoy!

Semper Fi!


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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: Ghost Rider
Date Posted: May/27/2007 at 13:48
Hey

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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/27/2007 at 14:44

Chris, the box make it to your AO yet?

 

Mark



Posted By: Ghost Rider
Date Posted: May/27/2007 at 14:48

Sorry for just the "hey", you know how the internet is over here. I am at Adder, south of you. I too am a DM, but I volunteered for this deployment, my second, and am deployed with an FA unit. We aren't doing an FA mission, or I wouldn't have come. The problem is they don't have any m-14s or m-24s, the best they did was a flat top A-3 with rails and retractible butt. I had to supply my own bi-pod and almost had to get my own scope! I had my supply sgt back home send me the leupold i have now, the ACOG they gave me just didn't cut it. He couldn't get the commander to spare my M-14. I don't have the range you guys have with the 7.62 but the 77grainers work pretty darn good. I have engaged from 35 meters out to a little over 400. The 35m was a grenade on two guys attempting to jump on a truck we were escorting during an ambush. We are mounted and I hate driving around trying not to get blown the h#*@ up!  We get alot of action though, not as much as when I was kicking in doors but about every week. 



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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: May/27/2007 at 14:52

Welcome to The OT, Ghost Rider!!

 

PM inbound....



Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: May/28/2007 at 10:52
Hey Gentlemen-

THANKS FOR YOUR SUPPORT WITH THE PACKAGES/MAGAZINES!!! I have received 3 care packages from you guys, all very much appreciated.

Happy Memorial Day!!

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: sinsir
Date Posted: May/28/2007 at 15:13
happy memorial day guys ........ and again thankx to all those who are serving, and to those who have... my hat is off to you.


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: May/29/2007 at 20:57

Thanks for your Service !!!!!



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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: UBOATVET
Date Posted: June/08/2007 at 17:49

Chris,

 

I am a Veteran (Navy Submarines) and avid shooter. I noticed that there are many servicemembers that purchasing "optics" out of thier own pockets.

My company would like to provide those optics / gear to you or your team as a donation as our THANKS for what you are doing for us.

BUT I dont know what you need.

SO if you will please contact me via email, I will see about getting that to you. Maybe I can get others to pitch in, I dunno.

If you need some optics or other types of gear send me a list. We will send what we can.

 

Please let us help you and dont be shy to ask. What you are doing is important and you deserve the best gear.

You can contact me via:


Russ Spears aka Santa

888-303-9253

http://www.defasc.com - www.defasc.com

mailto:rspears@defasc.com - rspears@defasc.com

 

God Bless and Thanks for your Service.

 

 



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Russ Spears
Navy Sub Veteran


Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: June/08/2007 at 17:56

UBOATVET:

On behalf of all of us here, I would like to welcome you to Optics Talk and thank you for your gracious offer you made to Chris and the others serving in harms way.

Good on ya!! 

 

Chris, I received your letter just today and wanted to say thanks for taking time to send it, and your MORE than welcome for the stuff. It was my pleasure and a privilege to do so. 

 

Godspeed!!

 



Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/12/2007 at 15:17


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: 22backin
Date Posted: June/21/2007 at 04:36

Chris,

 

First Off Semper FI M.A.C. (Marine Amphibious Corps)

 

Second, I am a police officer working on research for my department in regards to optics.  My department currently does not allow magnafied optics like Acog.  What they do authorize is red dot / holographic style optics, for the quick aquisition and because they dont believe that they can be confused with Sniper Scopes. My department does not want citizens or defense lawyers making the arguement that Officers have sniper scopes, so why not shoot the gun out of his hand verse putting a lead shot in his brain housing group.

 

I want to get the Acog sights approved for duty carry, and have to present a proposal on why they would be beneficial to the department.  Now I know Acog has optics that incorporate the magnafied scopes with BAC, and the docter red dot optics mounted on top.  Where can I find litterature or statistics that will help me explain the usefullness of having the Acog with the red dot docter optics, for my proposal. 

 

Now for some background on the terrain my city incorporates so you can maybe tell me if I am on the right track with looking at the Acog.  We are a small city, but have an aboundance of open terrain, ie parkin lots, some of which can span over 300 yards in width with highrise buildings and multiple level parking garages adjacent.  As a once active infantry Marine, i see the problem with the high ground and no cover, with greater distances to cover in shooting if the situation arises.  As far as residential make up, we mostly have Apartments, with very few homes.  95% of our residence live in apartments, some which are highrises.   I personally feel there is a need to have an optic that is magnafied to a degree to increase the threat elimination and acuracy odds of taking longer range shots, but due to the residential make up that my city has with all the apartments and closed hallways I also see the need for the red dot type sights.  Which is why I am geared more toward the Acog optice that incorporates the Docter Red dot optic.  I feel that we achieve the best of both worlds in being more accurate with how we engage our threats and keep the public safe. My city is also building an international sporting stadium which is adjacent to the City Admin building, where a large number of crowds will be expected not only for the sports but the concerts and other events that are sure to be held there.    My department is also gearing up and starting a SWAT team, which is still in the planning stages, and I certainly want to be able to find the right optics that are going to work full spectrum with our goals, either on patrol or for the SWAT team.  

 

Any input you have I would greatly appreciate.  I am planning to present the proposal in a power point presentation so if there are any videos of comparison shooting dealing with either the Acog's and Eotechs I would love that info as well. 

 

Also anyone else reading this if you can offer stats or provide me with research tips I would greatly appreciate that as well. 

 

Nick  



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Not everyone can be fighter pilots, someone has to fly cargo. GPD Motors


Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: June/21/2007 at 08:00
Hey Nick/Semper Fi!!

First, I would tell you that I have zero experience in the law enforcement arena but find a policy restricting magnification on optics ridiculous. Proper optics allow a trained marksman to act with surgical precision to SAVE LIVES in most law enforcement engagements I have studied. If you want an optic for CQB, the EOTECH is the way to go. I have done my share of CQB here and our ODA brethern down the street use nothing else but EOTECHs. I think the ACOG would best be used for the equivalent of the DM in your line of work. It is a good compromise but definitely not optimal for CQB. I have used the ACOG with the Dot Docter up top and have mixed feelings about it. First of all it is a backup, not a primary, to be used if your primary optic goes down for some reason. The offset at CQB ranges is a major factor and requires LOTS of training in the shoot house. The EOTECH allows for high-percentage hits on torso shots out to 300M-mine is zeroed for 50M for a +/-4 inch point blank out past 200M. I sure hope your SWAT guys get approval for a sniper section-sounds like your terrain warrants it for sure. After having said all that, I attached a pic from my last mission-note the M4 is wearing a ACOG TA31! If you are completely sold on the ACOG, I will try to help you sell it to your higher, but think you're better off with EOTECHs for your guys and some qualified marksmen with quality MAGNIFIED optics on precision rifles. That probably didn't help much, but that's the way I see it.

Let me know your thoughts!

Chris

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/21/2007 at 15:59
Thanks for your service

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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Ghost Rider
Date Posted: June/23/2007 at 19:18

22backin

 I have military special ops(currently infantry) and civilian law enforcement(E.S.T.) experience under my belt. I can tell you that having shooters(snipers, marksmen) as part of any "high risk" job is one of your best assets. Not just from a shooting stand point. They are your eyes and a lot of times your ears. If you are trying to change your departments way of thinking, you should be going for more then just the optics. Just my opinion of course. You NEED at least one shooter/spotter team. I would at least go for an accurate long barreled AR with heavy match grade bullets. With a quality tactical scope of no more then 14X, for field of view. As far as looks are concerned, we never let the public see what we were using. I can bet they didn't even know we had shooters inplaced.

 The EOtechs are the mailto:sh@t - sh@t when it comes to combat out to 200 meters. With the Aimpoint a good second. If I had to choose just for CQB it would be the EOtech. If I knew I might have a shot of more then 200 yards I would go for the Aimpoint w/3x twist on capability, what I currently use on my back up m-4. As far as the Acog....good for designated marksmen, not good for CQB, even with the doctors optic on board. Not too impressed with the tiny little holo. Seemed more of a gimmick to me. I passed on that one. Good luck!



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Posted By: twr3cks
Date Posted: June/25/2007 at 08:11

I came to this forum by way of CPO US Navy SWCC (Retired) on AR15.com. I had posted a question and he suggested I post it here. Here is the question:

 

Originally Posted By thinsley:
Ok, so my second to youngest brother is headed to Iraq soon. He's the third of my brothers to go over. My youngest has finished one tour, is in Korea now and is scheduled to go back again next year. My other brother I haven't heard from and he may be there already.

Anyways, my second youngest, is in the Army and is going through a sniper program. He's just about finished with the program and will be part of a sniper team when he gets to Iraq.

My parents of course are concerned. I'm sure I don't need to go any further. My oldest brother, who was in the Marines, and first Desert Storm says that my "sniper" brother (just to make ID easier) will be safer as a sniper.

My question is: Is this true?

My "sniper" brother won't say much about it. Of course he tells my parents that he'll be safer, etc. But I was wondering, if anyone here had any experience in the matter and might chime in.

PS. For those of you who can reply. Thank you for your committment and service.

 

Thank you for any replies and or help.



Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: June/25/2007 at 08:38
I hope this helps shed some light. I have a ton of sniper missions under my belt in Iraq now. I also did sniper missions here as a Marine in 1991. The most dangerous part of any mission over here right now is the drive to the target area and the IED threat. If your soon-to-deploy brother needs any help on what gear he needs to get his hands on before he goes downrange, drop me a line. He'll likely be frustrated because his chain of command won't have a clue on how to employ him and he'll spend a lot of time doing everything BUT traditional sniper missions. My CO has been great at putting me on missions that let me utilize my optic and ballistic advantage to engage targets successfully, but he is an unfortunate exception. Many of the snipers on my FOB have never been outside the wire. "Safer" is a pretty subjective term over here. Best of luck to him and his team. I'm sure your parents are quite proud of him.

Semper Fi!

Chris

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: twr3cks
Date Posted: June/25/2007 at 12:08
Thank you, I'll certainly tell him of your offer. He's outuntil Thurs finishing some tests, etc some night moving shooting, etc. WHen he gets back I'll talk to him about gear. Thanks again!


Posted By: jonbravado
Date Posted: June/25/2007 at 12:25

you boys be careful over there - and give em hell.

 

We appreciate what you do.

 

J



Posted By: Ghost Rider
Date Posted: June/26/2007 at 09:34

During my first tour I was an active "shooter", we got in some pretty hairy situations, and we had a large bounty on our heads. This deployment I drive around in an armored gun truck. Sounds more secure doesn't it... trust me it's not. IED's are the biggest threat in theater right now. I would much rather be hidden somewhere behind my optics.



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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/26/2007 at 19:29
Semper Fi

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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: sandsock
Date Posted: June/26/2007 at 22:57

22backin,

   Sounds like you work for the same type of backwater dept that I used to....liability and accuracy would suggest magnification is a no-brainer for the situations you describe....good luck....it's probably a PR issue with not wanting your police officers to appear as being "snipers" (a bad word in most PC left leaning circles.....or possibly just corporate paranoia because god-forbid some starts expecting you to be able to shoot the gun out of someone's hand).   Anyway, sounds like you're on the right track, if you'd like some Military Police policy/doctrine on the subject, I'd suggest a Google search or globalsecurity.org for Field Manual (FM) 3.19.11

 



Posted By: twr3cks
Date Posted: June/27/2007 at 08:26
Thanks again for the help. I will certainly pass this on. I had no idea about the chew. Good to know. Is it locals that buy it up? Or other team members?


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: June/27/2007 at 09:42

 

 



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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: tenring
Date Posted: July/01/2007 at 18:48
Originally posted by Chris8541 Chris8541 wrote:

I hope this helps shed some light. I have a ton of sniper missions under my belt in Iraq now. I also did sniper missions here as a Marine in 1991. The most dangerous part of any mission over here right now is the drive to the target area and the IED threat. If your soon-to-deploy brother needs any help on what gear he needs to get his hands on before he goes downrange, drop me a line. He'll likely be frustrated because his chain of command won't have a clue on how to employ him and he'll spend a lot of time doing everything BUT traditional sniper missions. My CO has been great at putting me on missions that let me utilize my optic and ballistic advantage to engage targets successfully, but he is an unfortunate exception. Many of the snipers on my FOB have never been outside the wire. "Safer" is a pretty subjective term over here. Best of luck to him and his team. I'm sure your parents are quite proud of him.



Semper Fi!

Chris


On the IED threat, here is something in the up and coming category to help out our guys while they are on the road.  http://www.mtekweaponsystems.com


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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/03/2007 at 09:10


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Bigdaddy0381
Date Posted: July/03/2007 at 09:13

Have ya'll seen the show on the history channle where they take star wars and tell how it was based on history.the helment darth wears is the same helment the germans wore.It's a neat show.

 

Big



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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/03/2007 at 21:36


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/09/2007 at 17:10

Hey Chris 8541,

I received your letter dated 23-June yesterday.  Thanks for writing.  I'd be glad to take you up on the offer to meet for a range session once you return to TX!  Keep up the good work there in the sandbox and come home unscathed.  We're proud of you and the rest of the guys and gals serving over there!

 

Is there anything else I can send you that would make your life just a little more bearable?  This also applies to anyone else reading this who's serving overseas as well, BTW.  I'd be happy to gather some of my co-workers together and work up a care package or multiple care packages.

 

Semper Fi, friend!



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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/09/2007 at 21:29

 



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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: July/09/2007 at 22:09
Greetings Everyone!!

First, thanks for all the care packages, magazines, and all the "sanity" conversation!! I will be leaving Iraq in about 3 1/2 weeks for Ft. Carson and then to Ft. Stewart to get cut loose. I am an airline pilot in real life and I plan on going back to work ASAP to replace some of the 100,000$+ income this little camping trip cost-(worth every penny!!!). I have 3 more missions left-1 with my sniper team and 2 left seat/right seat missions with the snipers that are replacing us. I haven't gotten down to the computers much due to our mission load and getting ready for the RIPTOA. I will post some pics when I get back from this one. Thanks again for your support!!!

Semper Fi!

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/10/2007 at 08:36

 



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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Ghost Rider
Date Posted: July/17/2007 at 11:20

Well guys, I don't know if this is an appropriat place to post this...but, a few nights ago my truck was hit by a fairly large IED. I was only knocked silly for a few moments (the armor on my 1114 saved my life), but my driver Spc Weber got med-evaced to Bilod for possible internal head wounds. My gunner (Sgt Massey) didn't make it. He was one of the greatest soldiers I have ever had the pleasure of serving with, and one of my best friends. My life will never be the same without him. He was also a devoted father of three young children, and if you would keep them in your prayers.

                                                                                      GOD BLESS AMERICA!



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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: July/17/2007 at 18:34
Originally posted by Ghost Rider Ghost Rider wrote:

Well guys, I don't know if this is an appropriate place to post this...but, a few nights ago my truck was hit by a fairly large IED. I was only knocked silly for a few moments (the armor on my 1114 saved my life), but my driver Spc Weber got med-evaced to Bilod for possible internal head wounds. My gunner (Sgt Massey) didn't make it. He was one of the greatest soldiers I have ever had the pleasure of serving with, and one of my best friends. My life will never be the same without him. He was also a devoted father of three young children, and if you would keep them in your prayers.

                                                                                      GOD BLESS AMERICA!

 

It most certainly is appropriate and I'm terribly sorry for the loss of your friend. 

 

I'm terribly sorry to hear that he didn't make it, but I'm grateful you did, my friend.

Rest in Peace Sgt Massey.

 

Prayers sent and Godspeed.



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Posted By: UBOATVET
Date Posted: July/17/2007 at 19:23

Proverbs 3:5-6 (New American Standard Bible)

  Trust in the LORD with all your heart And do not lean on your own understanding. 
    In all your ways acknowledge Him,And He will make your paths straight.
 
What you and your men are doing is important. Sgt Massey served a Great Nation that will always be in his debt.
Thank you for your work, and sacrifice. I am sorry that you lost your friend. I wished I could have served in his place.


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Russ Spears
Navy Sub Veteran


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/21/2007 at 14:18

Ghost Rider,

I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of your friend, Sgt Massey.  Words are inadequate to express my condolences, my gratitude to you and your fellow servicemen, and my admiration to all of you for your many sacrifices for our Nation.  I will be praying for Sgt Massey's family, as well as all of you in harms way.



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Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/22/2007 at 00:12


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Ghost Rider
Date Posted: July/22/2007 at 05:26

I'm with you on that one,couldn't have put it better myself! One at a time doesn't seem to be working. They are like roaches, come out mostly at night and when you stomp one it seems like two more take his place. A lot of them are either overly brave or extremely stupid, they try to go toe to toe with us using small arms (mostly AKs). Armored gun trucks with various crew served against small arms. They have even tried to overrun a couple of our gun trucks with a platoon sized element. Only to realize how much lead a .50cal and a 240B will throw at you. Not to mention M4s and SAWs out the windows. And when the air support shows up the game is over. The IEDs are our biggest threat and if we get the MRAPs to replace the 1114s the threat will go down tremendously.

For all of you who say you support the troops...you should be proud(not to toot my own horn) because we kick major a*@ when the time comes. I wouldn't want to go against us. This truely is the greatest army that has ever walked the planet!

                                                                                    GOD BLESS AMERICA!



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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: July/22/2007 at 19:03


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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: July/29/2007 at 21:33
Good Morning from Tall Afar!!

I haven't had much time to get on here lately with my mission cycle, RIPTOA, packing, etc. I was deeply saddened to hear of the loss of SGT Massey. It is an all too familiar story over here. Ghost Rider and his fellow soldiers definitely have the exposure to the IED threat. As a sniper, the most dangerous part of my job here is the ride to and from the AO. I blame the liberal media for this-their spin has led to us riding up and down MSRs laden with IEDs like strafe-targets instead of doing our JOB-locating, closing with, and destroying the enemy. My company has been lucky-only 3 IED encounters resulting in 3 WIA (all gunners). I want to say thanks to all of you for your support! The magazines and "stuff" you sent was greatly appreciated! I will be getting on the freedom bird in 4 days and a wakeup. I will pass the contact info of those who offered to give soldiers a hand over to our replacements-F Company LRS from Ft. Bragg. I am killing time by shooting alot with the ODA SOTIC guys. They have SR25s and a Mark 12 which are new systems to me and I have been learning those weapons. For you old guys like me, you'll be pleased to know that their old M21 (modified M14) is outperforming all the new stuff. The Mark 12 has a Leupold MR/T 3x9x36 with M3 turrets, my first experience with it. The SR25s have Mark 4 6x with the old style M3 turrets and USMC football mildot reticle. I will be hanging out in Red Oak, Texas for a few weeks beginning in late August to visit old friends and fly some general aviation airplanes-I fly the CAF's Corsair based at the Lancaster airport on the airshow circuit. I will be looking for a place to shoot my Barrett M99 while I am there-anybody have a suggestion? I would also enjoy meeting you locals over at the Boxcar for an optic AAR!!(or whatever-lingerie night there was always a unique experience). I'll shoot for one more post before we head out! Take care and thanks again!

Chris
Silent Two

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: July/29/2007 at 22:03

Hey, Chris, have a safe trip home!

 

As an avid airshow attendee, I'm almost positive I've seen your Corsair demo at a couple airshows!

 

In fact, I just checked with an old program from the Alliance Airshow in Ft. Worth, and I'm positive I've seen your performance!  I thought your name sounded familiar!  Not only have I seen you perform, I particularly remember thinking what a good demo you did, friend!  The F4U Corsair has been one of my favorite WWII era birds, ever since I was a kid watching Baah Baah Blacksheep on TV.



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Posted By: Chris Farris
Date Posted: August/01/2007 at 17:17

Originally posted by Chris8541 Chris8541 wrote:

Good Morning from Tall Afar!! 

I will be hanging out in Red Oak, Texas for a few weeks beginning in late August to visit old friends and fly some general aviation airplanes-I fly the CAF's Corsair based at the Lancaster airport on the airshow circuit. I will be looking for a place to shoot my Barrett M99 while I am there-anybody have a suggestion? I would also enjoy meeting you locals over at the Boxcar for an optic AAR!!(or whatever-lingerie night there was always a unique experience). I'll shoot for one more post before we head out! Take care and thanks again!

Chris
Silent Two

 

I know a guy that flies some sort of old Russian jet that he keeps at the Lancaster airport.  The Corsair is my favorite plane (you lucky dog).  I have a fondness for the Mustang too because my grandma worked on the assembly line.

 

We're not too proud of it but, Dave and I have spent many nights at the Boxcar LOL.

 

Stop in around closin' time when you get back and we'll take you up on the Boxcar offer for an optic AAR.  I don't think they have lingerie night any more though.

 

We've got a great place (over in the Cedar Hill area) to shoot, in fact we filmed http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_HThU7MFwI - this video there.

 

We can also run out to http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/ - Tac-Pro and shoot with Bill Davidson.



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Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: August/01/2007 at 21:46


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Posted By: David
Date Posted: August/02/2007 at 09:41

Oh yea, the BOXCAR!  I remember going on Karaoke night and everybody was singing country songs ranging from Johnny Cash to George Strait.  After a few cold ones I walk over to the DJ booth to look at the play list, and see Megadeth "Symphony of Destruction".  Man, I had that crowd clapping and wanting more before the night was through.

 

What a great time!!

 



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Posted By: sandsock
Date Posted: August/02/2007 at 19:46
I feel a rant coming on, but I don't think it's appropriate to post here, I'll be in the Almost Anything Goes area.  God Speed my friend.


Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: August/13/2007 at 10:34

 

Stay Safe



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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
Bobby Paul Doherty
Texas Ranger


Posted By: Chris8541
Date Posted: August/19/2007 at 06:33
Hey Gentlemen!!!

I finally made it home!!! Everything is good and I am starting to requalify to get back in the cockpit at work soon. I will make a trip to Texas next week and hope to do some LR shooting out there. Again, thanks to all for your support while we were deployed!!

Semper Fi!!!

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Chris Avery
Atlanta, Georgia USA


Posted By: Duce
Date Posted: August/19/2007 at 07:17

good to have you back home safe again & wellcome home

 

Duce 



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Posted By: cheaptrick
Date Posted: August/19/2007 at 07:31

Glad your back safely, Chris!!

 

Thanks for all you've done.

Mark



Posted By: Urimaginaryfrnd
Date Posted: August/19/2007 at 10:15

Thanks for Your SERVICE !!!

 

 



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"Always do the right thing, just because it is the right thing to do".
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Texas Ranger


Posted By: Michael Sheehan
Date Posted: August/22/2007 at 15:22

SGT Chris Avery,

 

Glad to hear that you made it back.

 

Now that you've returned, can you advise me of a 'follow-on addressee' in Iraq to which I can continue sending copies of the various magazines; e.g., 'Guns & Ammo', etc.?

 

My son helps me stuff the envelopes and it's pretty important that we 'keep the momentum of this effort going'.

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted By: hossf15
Date Posted: September/27/2007 at 20:09

 

  Chris - This is Hoss - I am flying Eagles in New Orleans - let me know if you check this forum still and I will post squadron ops number/contact info -- great to hear news from you -  can't wait to talk  - God bless - Hoss




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