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Topic: Kahles KX or CL?
Posted By: SamC
Subject: Kahles KX or CL?
Date Posted: December/13/2007 at 17:33
_popupControl(); I'm not sure which 3X9 Kahles model to buy for my 30 06 Kimber Montana. What are the differences between the KX and CL models and which one is a better quality scope?
Thanks,
Sam


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/13/2007 at 17:40
The CL has side focus parallax adjustment; the KX does not.  The CL has slightly better optics, but they are both excellent quality.  Personally, I can't tell enough of a difference optically to justify the price difference, and I don't want side focus on a hunting rifle, but it may be a worthwhile feature to you.

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Ted


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Posted By: TheDrakeTaker
Date Posted: December/13/2007 at 18:40
Agreed.  You can't go wrong with either.  I agree with Ted, I don't like side focus on a hunting rifle, just something else to mess you up.

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Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: December/13/2007 at 21:31
_popupControl(); Thanks for the info guys! BTW, why would a side focus be a problem, wouldn't it permit you to focus without having to take the rifle off your shoulder?
Sam


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Posted By: tahqua
Date Posted: December/14/2007 at 05:52

I have never had a reason to reset the focus on a big game scope. Once set it's done.



Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/14/2007 at 08:18

i would buy the cl if it were me, but the kx isnt any slouch either, either way you are getting a great scope



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Posted By: Chris Farris II
Date Posted: December/14/2007 at 10:49
They are both excellent scopes I am with Ted if you can justify a difference in price for the quality of glass or, if you want a side focus. They are both exceptional quality scopes though. You will not be disappointed with either one. I don't like the side focus on a hunting rifle either. Just get a normal one set it for your eyes and don't look back just shoot shoot shoot! No matter what you will not regret buying a Kahles. That would be my normal opinion but right now we have some great deals on the CL's. The CL is better and right now from SWFA is actually CHEAPER than the KX.  http://www.swfa.com/c-665-kahles-helia-cl-riflescopes.aspx - The CL at $699.95 vs. the http://www.swfa.com/c-1219-kahles-helia-kx-riflescopes.aspx - KX at $748.95 The CL is usually $958.95. The CL is a 3-9X42 and is only available in Plex. The KX is a 3.5-10X50 and only available in Plex.

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Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/14/2007 at 10:50
wow thats a great deal!

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
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Posted By: B&C Buck
Date Posted: December/15/2007 at 13:41
Is the KX reticle etched?  On the Kahles website, all the Kahles models say glass etched reticle, except the KX which just uses the term rugged reticle.  Just an oversite in wording perhaps, or the KX models not glass etched reticles?


Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: December/15/2007 at 20:13
_popupControl(); Great question, does anyone know?
Sam


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Posted By: medic52
Date Posted: December/15/2007 at 21:11
Sam, The Kahles site really doesn't say,  myself I am looking at the 4x12x52 CL for a 270. The price of 699.95 is hard to pass up.......Been trying to make my mind up between a couple of different ones but I think I will go with the CL, GOOD LUCK and Good shooting...

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Posted By: jackG
Date Posted: December/17/2007 at 09:50
Regarding side focus scopes.  Both scopes I use have no focus adjustments, I just aim and shoot.  If a scope is equipped with a side focus (I'm assuming that is an AO, the controls of which are located on the side of the scope rather than on the objective end) does it require adjustment for different target distances, or can it be set for the shooter's eye and let be?  I have a hunch it can't be.  Which raises the quesiton, what is different in the internals of AO and non-AO scopes? 


Posted By: Focus
Date Posted: December/17/2007 at 13:05
Wow Sam, I'm surprised with all the kahles users and recommenders on this site that no one has managed to answer your question concerning the reticle. Thats something I always find out about any scope I consider buying......I don't blame you for wondering. Guess it will take a call to kahles.

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Posted By: TheDrakeTaker
Date Posted: December/17/2007 at 13:24
Yeah it's a good question. I've never had a KX only CL's and C's so I don't know about the KX's reticle I would assume it's etched but you know what assuming does.

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Robert


Posted By: pyro6999
Date Posted: December/17/2007 at 13:34
the kx is an improved version of the ah i know that so i would assume whatever the ah had the kx does too, but a hair better glass.

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They call me "Boots"
375H&H Mag: Yeah, it kills stuff "extra dead"

343 we will never forget

God Bless Chris Ledoux
"good ride cowboy"


Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/17/2007 at 16:52
All Kahles scopes have glass etched reticles.

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Ted


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Posted By: RifleDude
Date Posted: December/17/2007 at 17:01
Originally posted by jackG jackG wrote:

Regarding side focus scopes.  Both scopes I use have no focus adjustments, I just aim and shoot.  If a scope is equipped with a side focus (I'm assuming that is an AO, the controls of which are located on the side of the scope rather than on the objective end) does it require adjustment for different target distances, or can it be set for the shooter's eye and let be?  I have a hunch it can't be.  Which raises the quesiton, what is different in the internals of AO and non-AO scopes? 
 
Yes, up to a certain point (where you'd use the "infinity" setting), you have to adjust the side focus for different distances, which is why I don't personally want this feature on a big game hunting scope.  For a long range varmint or target scope, it's a useful feature, but I don't want to be fiddling with knobs when I'm trying to get off a good shot at a nice buck/bull.  It's too easy for something to accidentally brush up against the knob, causing it to be way out of focus for the next shot you take, and I don't want to take that chance when I may only have 1 hurried shot all season.  The animal may not stand still long enough for you to adjust the knob.  Although they are mechanically different, the function of both SF and AO is the same -- to remove parallax, or adjust the reticle and target image so both are on the same apparent focal plane.


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Ted


Money can't buy happiness... but it's much more comfortable to cry in a Porsche than on a bicycle.


Posted By: jackG
Date Posted: December/17/2007 at 19:45
Rifle Dude you've confirmed what I surmized.  I also am uncomfortable with the notion of screwing around with focus when I'm setting up for a shot.  In particular, pronghorn don't lend themselves to sitting still.  You chase around for days working on a shot and when you finally step around a corner and there they are, there isn't much time. And typically when you see them, they're all looking right at you already.
 
I've taken one each of that last two years.  I would extimate that I had perhaps 2 or 3 seconds, to pick out the target, get on a solid rest and let it go.  The ranges were 200 one year and 322 the next.  I didn't hurry my shots and I got them both, but you could just feel it.  They were getting ready to go, and once they do, I don't shoot at them.    Had I been messing with focus I doubt they'd have hung around for it. 


Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: December/18/2007 at 21:34
This is a very  helpful post!_popupControl();

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Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 05:40
If you have to adjust the side focus for different distances on a side focus scope (CL) and if both have an etched reticle and the quality of the optics are similar then I  opt for the KX model!
Sam _popupControl();

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Posted By: stopher23
Date Posted: December/19/2007 at 22:38
what is the best kahles scope in a 3x12x50 or preferbally 56


Posted By: TheDrakeTaker
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 06:00
Kahles C 3-12X56, I have one, awesome scope.  

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Robert


Posted By: stopher23
Date Posted: December/20/2007 at 14:49
id like to put the zeiss diavari and the kahles beside each other right at dark. Have you tried that???


Posted By: SamC
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 16:36
Do we know for sure whether the KX series  sports an etched reticle?_popupControl();

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Posted By: stickman
Date Posted: December/21/2007 at 17:10
I personally don't care for pa on my big game hunting scopes. I have used scopes with this feature while deer hunting and have found that it's just something else to screw with.



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