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    Posted: November/02/2015 at 09:26
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     I have found this forum by researching different scopes.   I just won a new Browning X-bolt .270 WSM in a gun raffle, and I would like to get a nice scope on it.   I know I am not quite as hard core as most of you on this forum, but I definitely would appreciate some advice on what scopes to look at.  My goal is to spend ~$400 on a scope used pretty much only for deer hunting, $300 -$500 is the range but for a gun higher in the range, it needs to shout that it is of higher quality.   I hunt both upstate New York, and South Western PA.  So I have swamps, old grown over farms, and the Allegheny mountain ridges (mostly oak flats ) and some deeper hollows.   For hunting PA, there are antler restrictions, so I need to quickly identify if a deer has 3 points on one side or not.  I am both a stand hunter, and a still hunter, but I won't be watching big fields.   If anyone could recommend a few scopes I would appreciate it.   I was looking at the 2.5-10 x 44 Vortex Viper HS, but no store around me has one in stock.   Thanks in advance for any advice.  
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Welcome to the OT bee, you will find plenty of help here, it's a great forum.
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For your application you need decent glass and a good reticle. I have been hunting deer a long time and hunt in swamps and dark areas. Skinny thin reticles won't cut it. Get you a Meopta Meopro 3-9x42 with a # 4 reticle and you have a scope that will do what you want and more at the price you stated.
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I can't seem to find the MEOPRO 3-9x42 in stock anywhere.    Are the Cabelas Instict scopes the same thing?
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http://swfa.com/Meopta-4-12x50-MeoPro-Rifle-Scope-P45969.aspx

Just above your stated budget but a real good choice for your intent. Nikon has some good choices also. For the money (compared to other brands) the Nikon has the best glass, coatings and turrets in this price range.

http://swfa.com/Nikon-25-10x50-Monarch-3-Riflescope-P61599.aspx

http://swfa.com/Nikon-4-16x50-Monarch-3-Riflescope-P61606.aspx

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In your stated price range and criteria, I'd give the Leupold VX-R 2-7x a look see. 

 
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Lots of good choices at that amount....Leupold Vx-3 2.5-8, meopta as mentioned, zeiss conquest of can find, or best bang for buck weaver super slam. Super slams can be found on close out and to me are on par with the rest and you can save a lot.
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To answer your question about the Cabela's scopes; yes they are Meopta. But they don't offer those scopes with a #4 reticle.Again; for low light hunting either have a bold reticle or an illuminated one. You can get one right here off SWFA. They have a 3-9x40 with a # 4 reticle @ $499. As far as Leupold and Nikon comparisons to the Meopta ; not in the same category. They are okay but not on same level with Meopta 's glass
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If you don't believe that the Meopta is the superior glass over a Nikon or a Leupold (unless it is VX-6) put you an eye chart in low light and compare both brightness and resolution. I used to do comparisons with objects like buildings trees,etc. But when I started testing with the eyechart , I learned a whole lot more about the optical quality of a scope.
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Originally posted by dw0229 dw0229 wrote:

If you don't believe that the Meopta is the superior glass over a Nikon or a Leupold (unless it is VX-6) put you an eye chart in low light and compare both brightness and resolution. I used to do comparisons with objects like buildings trees,etc. But when I started testing with the eyechart , I learned a whole lot more about the optical quality of a scope.

Slow your roll, Friend. I'm not talking JUST "glass quality" here. The poster cited "swamps...deep hollows..over grown farms" Sounds like my AO. 

I suggested the VX-R due to the fact that it has the Fire Dot reticle, which I believe can be a factor when hunting in low light/heavy brush scenario's. It's honestly, (IMO) one of the best illuminated reticles in it's price range available today. 

To your point..he say's he needs to be able to quickly ID bucks, so maybe superior glass trumps reticle here. But, I think the glass on the VX-R, while not "dazzling" is good enough. It's certainly worth a look.


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You're on the right track with that Vortex, but you may have a hard time finding one due to limited availability. It'd need a thicker or illuminated reticle for low light woods duty. The Weaver Classic Extreme is similar and you can order one for really cheap these days if you google around, but you probably won't find one in a display case to look at.

The Leupold VX-3 and VX-R have glass plenty good enough for what you would do. The 2.5-8x and 2-7x options already mentioned would be great with the lit or thick reticles.

You might want to investigate the trigger on that rifle and maybe what kind of ammo you'll need for short range shots with a 270 WSM before you get too far into this. Congratulations on that win, by the way. Browning makes great rifles and the 270 WSM may be the best all-around cartridge if properly utilized.
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There are several good choices for your application. I suggested   the Meopta Meopro with a #4 as best choice due to the combination of excellent glass for resolving detail such as antlers, very good low light capabilities, (swamps, shadows,etc.) and price. A Leupold VX-R is a fine choice for these applications and would serve your purpose well. I have compared them many times against other optics and with their illuminated reticle they are an excellent choice. It is however my opinion that the Meopta wins out. But I would feel very capable with either.
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One more note. I and many others on this forum have a fascination with optics . I truly enjoy optics both to use and compare or test. Our findings and opinions can be labeled as subjective otherwise the forum wouldn't be "Optics Talk". There is a lot of very good info here. I have been steered rightly many times via this forum. But ultimately you have to make your decisions . But alas, hunting season for those old deer is here.A time to match wits and weapons. Hope you have good health and a good season.
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Thank you, cheaptrick. Yours as well.
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Never say "I can't afford it" say instead "How can I pay for this?" Or ask how bad is the wife gonna freak after I buy this? LOL! Yeah, that'll work!
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So I went to a couple stores in the area and gave a good look at the Leupold VX-r and VX-3, along with a few different Vortex Vipers.   I found that I really like the idea of the illuminated reticle. This weekend I was traveling out of state, and I will be able to check out a Meopro with the illuminated #4 reticle.   I know its above my price range, but it seems like it should be a winner for me.   Is there any reason not to buy this scope(Other than my wife killing me!), or is there any other scope out there in this price range that I should consider instead that would be able to offer me a lit reticle, and good glass?   Again thanks for all the suggestions and help thus far.

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Try a weaver super slam as well...think you can get very close to meopta for half.
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Originally posted by Steelbenz Steelbenz wrote:

Never say "I can't afford it" say instead "How can I pay for this?" Or ask how bad is the wife gonna freak after I buy this? LOL! Yeah, that'll work!

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search for deals on Weavers, investigate price matching, etc.


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