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    Posted: September/02/2019 at 15:46
I have acquired a Remington Mohawk 600 in 243.  I'm looking for a nice, light scope and rings for it. 
It currently has some kind of Weaver one piece base on it.  I don't really like the base and wanted something that will compliment the rifle and also make it easier to load/unload the rifle. 

I thought about the new SS 2-10x32.  How well will it do with this rifle in a hunting roll?  Is the 32mm objective large enough for early morning and late evening deer hunting?  Wat is a better alternative in a similar price point?  I do like the capped turrets but am OK with exposed turrets.  I do prefer MIL but MOA is OK too.  This rifle will be used by me, my wife and 15 year old daughter.  The longest shot on a deer will likely be no more than 100 yards and practically 60-80 yards. 

I also looked to Talley for the lightweight rings.  I found Talley item# 930720.  They are for model 7 and 600.  The picture for it showed the rear base having two screws.  My receiver has only one screw hole and no more room to add a second screw hole.  I emailed Talley and asked them if they had any rear bases with one screw hole and they replied back "no".  What Talley or other manf. rings are there for the Rem 600? 

The bottom line is I'm looking for a lightweight package so it doesn't outweigh the rifle and keeps the whole package small and quick. 

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A 2-7 would be a good match for the rifle as is the 2-10 SS you mentioned.  Redfield and Nikon both make acceptable hunting scopes. You could go with a fixed 6x42 Leupold which would be a super bright reasonably sized optic for this rifle. https://www.swfa.com/leupold-6x42-fx-3-riflescope-5.html
You may want to call SWFA  to ask about what mount. I like Talley and you might could get away with using the Talley runing two screws in front one in back once the scope is in it. If it already has a Weaver one piece base I would be inclined to order a set of low  1 in Warne rings and call it good.

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A simple 6x might be a great answer.  I have started looking at the scope weight more now and its surprising how heavy some are. 
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Talley makes a one piece steel base for the Talley QD and fixed vertical rings. I have one mounted on an M7 with only one rear screw and the fixed rings. I can't think of a better set up for the short Remington. I have both the fixed and the QD rings set up for it. But there isn't much room for the levers on that extra short action. The fixed are extremely solid with dual recoil shoulders and a lot of clamping area.
The base is also relief cut so that I can load easily without busting my thumb. Other types do not have the cut and block the loading port.

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I decided to keep it simple and just get some better rings that fit better.  I decided on the Burris signature zee rings with the plastic inserts.  It will fit on the weaver rail already on the gun.
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Why limit yourself to a fixed power. There are so many better options than a 6x leupold
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I just saw SWFA has a heck of a sale on the Burris Droptine.  It is larger than I originally wanted but the price is hard to pass up.
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I think the SWFA 2.5-10 would be good for your rifle.  The BDC might not match exactly, but should probably be "hunting close" in tracking the .243 ballistics, depending upon bullet choice.

For any close, low light hunting you should be perfectly fine setting it on one of the lower powers and just using the crosshairs.  That should put you within a couple of inches anywhere along the trajectory out to a couple hundred yards.  A great hunting set up IMHO.

I ordered one but don't have it yet, so this is based on theory.

The little 600s are neat guns.  If this was in .308 or bigger, I'd not suggest the SWFA due to potential eye relief concerns, but in .243 I imagine it would be just fine.

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Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:

I just saw SWFA has a heck of a sale on the Burris Droptine.  It is larger than I originally wanted but the price is hard to pass up.


Those look like they will be too big for that diminutive rifle, IMHO. (Except maybe the .22rf versions, but that's a different issue.)

Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.  That rifle needs a small scope else there will be a disruption in The Force.  ;-)

Seriously, they need a small scope.

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Just what the hell am I doing wrong every time I try to quote a post......geeze?


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Originally posted by Atlas Shrug Atlas Shrug wrote:

Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:

I just saw SWFA has a heck of a sale on the Burris Droptine.  It is larger than I originally wanted but the price is hard to pass up.


Those look like they will be too big for that diminutive rifle, IMHO. (Except maybe the .22rf versions, but that's a different issue.)

Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.  That rifle needs a small scope else there will be a disruption in The Force.  ;-)

Seriously, they need a small scope.

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Thanks, I know I've made several mistakes in the past and will make plenty more to come. 
I can always get a smaller scope if the Burris doesn't match well or I just plain ol don't like it.  I have another rifle it can live on or I can buy a rifle to live on the scope.  either way...
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Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:

Originally posted by Atlas Shrug Atlas Shrug wrote:

Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:

I just saw SWFA has a heck of a sale on the Burris Droptine.  It is larger than I originally wanted but the price is hard to pass up.


Those look like they will be too big for that diminutive rifle, IMHO. (Except maybe the .22rf versions, but that's a different issue.)

Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.  That rifle needs a small scope else there will be a disruption in The Force.  ;-)

Seriously, they need a small scope.

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Thanks, I know I've made several mistakes in the past and will make plenty more to come. 
I can always get a smaller scope if the Burris doesn't match well or I just plain ol don't like it.  I have another rifle it can live on or I can buy a rifle to live on the scope.  either way...

That's as good a reason to buy another rifle as I have seen.

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This rifle is ultimately for my daughter but my wife mentioned that she doesn't have a deer rifle of her own.  She just uses any of mine.  I can always get one that is all hers.  I'm sure it will be a love/hate type gift.
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If you can find one, the Vortex 1.5-8 x 32 Razor is an excellent scope. Great glass and the best low light BDC reticle I have used.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:

Originally posted by Atlas Shrug Atlas Shrug wrote:

Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:

I just saw SWFA has a heck of a sale on the Burris Droptine.  It is larger than I originally wanted but the price is hard to pass up.


Those look like they will be too big for that diminutive rifle, IMHO. (Except maybe the .22rf versions, but that's a different issue.)

Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.  That rifle needs a small scope else there will be a disruption in The Force.  ;-)

Seriously, they need a small scope.

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Thanks, I know I've made several mistakes in the past and will make plenty more to come. 
I can always get a smaller scope if the Burris doesn't match well or I just plain ol don't like it.  I have another rifle it can live on or I can buy a rifle to live on the scope.  either way...

That's as good a reason to buy another rifle as I have seen.

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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:

Originally posted by Atlas Shrug Atlas Shrug wrote:

Originally posted by sucker76 sucker76 wrote:

I just saw SWFA has a heck of a sale on the Burris Droptine.  It is larger than I originally wanted but the price is hard to pass up.


Those look like they will be too big for that diminutive rifle, IMHO. (Except maybe the .22rf versions, but that's a different issue.)

Don't be penny wise and pound foolish.  That rifle needs a small scope else there will be a disruption in The Force.  ;-)

Seriously, they need a small scope.

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I accidentally got some 300WSM ammo, so now I am planning to buy a rifle for that.  Unfortunately, the one I want is out of stock everywhere.  I hate waiting.

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Thanks, I know I've made several mistakes in the past and will make plenty more to come. 
I can always get a smaller scope if the Burris doesn't match well or I just plain ol don't like it.  I have another rifle it can live on or I can buy a rifle to live on the scope.  either way...

That's as good a reason to buy another rifle as I have seen.

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ABSOLUTELY! My thoughts exactly!

I've built a new rifle before prompted by the fact I had an extra set of trigger guard cap screws laying around!
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Originally posted by tahqua tahqua wrote:

If you can find one, the Vortex 1.5-8 x 32 Razor is an excellent scope. Great glass and the best low light BDC reticle I have used.









Both the 1.5-8x32 and the 2-10x40 look great!  It seems both have been discontinued.  I'll search around for a good deal. 
I may soon be flush with new scopes.

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A few quick things:
1. For a wife and/or daughter, be aware that short eye relief scopes on a lightweight 243 might go badly. Most of us have been bitten by a scope, and it isn't pleasant.
2. I would not put a fixed-power scope on a rifle that will be used from up close to about 100 yards, nor would I worry about BDC reticle matching or calculating any manner of drop.
3. I would go for low power bottom end. At 40-60 yards, it isn't difficult to lose a moving target due to limited field of view. If it will be a short-range hunter, set it up for short-range hunting.

I have a 243 and love the caliber. My biggest deer went down to a single shot from my 243AI, easily one of my favorite guns. It is a capable caliber with great bullet selection and great ballistics for medium-sized game.

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Well it's settled, I got both.  Burris Droptine 4.5x14x42mmAO and the Vortex Razor HD LH 2-10x40.  I'm sure the Vortex is a big step up in optics and I think it will be great on the little 600.  I'll find a home for the Burris. 

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Though I would opt for a variable that offers between 1.5X - 3X on the bottom end, I've got a fixed 4X and a fixed 6X on 2 hunting rifles, and I've never had an issue acquiring game animals through them at very close range, even as close as 25 yards, in fact. I wouldn't select those for stalking or driven hunting where I could be faced with quick offhand shot opportunities, but for stationary hunting in a stand/blind, even a fixed 6X hasn't ever been an impediment to making very close quarters shots for me. This isn't meant to imply that I'm recommending a fixed power, however, I do see the appeal of the simplicity of a fixed power scope. When hunting with a variable scope, even in the thick stuff, I usually have my scope set at 4X and only turn the power up or down as needed for a given shot. I've dialed up more Xs frequently, but I honestly can't remember when I've ever had the need to turn down the power. Then again, I almost always hunt from fixed positions.
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I think I'll be very happy with 2x on the bottom end.  That was the original power range I was looking for.  It can be very quick at 2x or 3x and more precise at 9x or 10x.  Most of our hunting is from a blind too.  Some shots are taken walking to or from the blind though.
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Though I would opt for a variable that offers between 1.5X - 3X on the bottom end, I've got a fixed 4X and a fixed 6X on 2 hunting rifles, and I've never had an issue acquiring game animals through them at very close range, even as close as 25 yards, in fact. I wouldn't select those for stalking or driven hunting where I could be faced with quick offhand shot opportunities, but for stationary hunting in a stand/blind, even a fixed 6X hasn't ever been an impediment to making very close quarters shots for me. This isn't meant to imply that I'm recommending a fixed power, however, I do see the appeal of the simplicity of a fixed power scope. When hunting with a variable scope, even in the thick stuff, I usually have my scope set at 4X and only turn the power up or down as needed for a given shot. I've dialed up more Xs frequently, but I honestly can't remember when I've ever had the need to turn down the power. Then again, I almost always hunt from fixed positions.


As is sometimes the case, I'll dissent on this one.

Moving animals make things complicated, and moving animals at close range make it worse. Adding high magnification to that compounds the issues and can lead to mess-ups. I have heard, by a member of this forum, the words spoken: "I brought up the scope and couldn't see anything but fur and fired." Thankfully the animal was recovered, but it took some doing, and fortunately the animal shot the second time was the same animal shot the first time. That was not verified prior to squeezing the second round, because the animal was moving at close range with a scope set on 15X. It ended well, but could have easily ended with 2 down animals. Follow-up shots at high mag when everything is running around are no Bueno.

The smaller the FOV, the larger the chance of error, or that has been my experience.

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You might want to take a look at Sightron's 2-10x32mm S-TAC 30mm scope. It would be outstanding for the smallish Rem. Mohawk 600. Yes, it's heavier than SWFA 2-10x32mm but I've never been enamored with lightweight scopes longevity in harsh hunting environments and overall recoil prowess.   
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For several years, I mostly hunted with a 6-20x56, mostly stalk hunting.  I never failed to take a shot because there was too much magnification, but there were situations where it was a little uncomfortable not being able to go to a lower magnification.  "Tracking" the animal with the scope is more difficult and it definitely goes out of view more easily.  I have a fixed 4x that I've never had any issues at all with.  Just lucky, I suppose... 
I prefer to have 2x on the low end, though I would not mind having a 1-10x scope.  Just have not gotten around to one.  
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I agree with that in general, RC... and certainly with regards your 15X analogy, but we're not talking about that much magnification and we perhaps differ on our definitions of "high magnification." I have never had too limiting a FOV or problems acquiring moving deer or feral pigs as close as 20 yards with a fixed 4X or scope mag set at 4X, and I've dispatched multiple dump truck loads of 'em. Likewise, the base magnification of one of my thermal scopes is 4X, and I've killed countless moving pigs at night at 25-50 yds with it. I agree that 6X is starting to become iffy at really close range, but I've never had an issue with getting on the vitals of moving game at that magnification from around 50 yds out. Again, all my deer hunting is done from stationary blinds & stands. If I was stalking or hunting driven game animals, I'd certainly want less magnification/greater FOV and would prefer 1.5X - 2X. But again, I leave all my variable scopes set at 4X as a starting point and only change magnification as the situation warrants. I've killed multiple deer at near spitting distance with my scope set on 4X with nary an issue. 

Next time you're out hunting, take a gander at a deer you're not intending to take at 25-50 yds through your scope set at 4X, or at 75 yds or so at 6X. It's far from a "nothing but fur" scenario. There's ample real estate visible all around the deer, and unless it's moving really fast (at which point your decision to shoot becomes very questionable anyway), I doubt you'd have any trouble putting crosshairs on vitals at those magnification/distance combinations. I hunt with 8X binos and have no difficulty whatsoever keeping an entire deer as close as 40 yds or so within the FOV of my bino. 

I routinely take photos of deer and other wildlife with a telephoto lens having 600mm effective focal length, which is roughly equivalent to 12X FOV. Here is one such photo I took of deer standing at 120 yds from me, with the 600mm effective (12X) FOV telephoto lens. This image was also cropped. Even if this cropped FOV was your view through an optic, do you believe you'd have an issue tracking those deer at half that distance?
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