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Here is a shot I took of a blue wildebeest on a local exotic game ranch, in a dead run, at 75 yds, with the aforementioned 12X effective telephoto lens. I had no trouble keeping him within the FOV the whole time.

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Good thread...I personally shoot most everything at 2.5x(technically 2.6( vx3 2.5-8×36))..even over 100 yds.  But then again I rarely shoot at game over 150 yds.  The land I hunt dictating this.  Paper is a different story.  I do see the pros & cons of both sides of the magnification debate.
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Most of my hunting comes in at 60-120 yards.  There are right of ways that are about 300ish yards but I have never taken a deer at that range.  When I'm in the stand or walking around, I have the scope on the lowest power.  Once I'm in the stand, I may take it up a little.  the last one I got I had the scope on 3x and when I pulled the trigger I was at 5 or 6x to get a great look at the shot placement.  I will always want something less than 6x on the low end for general a hunting optic. 
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Ted (AKA Rifledude) and I often disagree, which is fine by both of us.

Personally, I know what I have experienced in the field. I can look at Ted's photos - taken with a camera and telephoto lens - meant to inform on riflescope usage, and appreciate the photo and disagree it is representative of the same situation with a riflescope on a rifle in use in the field when pulling a trigger on game. It isn't apple:oranges, it is more apples:meatloaf, in my humble estimation.

All that to say, I would not choose a fixed 6X on a hunting rifle.

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Thanks and will do.  The Vortex is arriving today.  I'll take a look at it after work.
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It's all good, RC. Make no mistake, I'm not at all advocating for high magnification scopes on hunting rifles. Far from it. In fact, my favorite hunting scopes are, as Koshkin has called them "tweeners" - medium powered variables...1.5-6X, 2-7X, 1.5-8X and the like. Most of my hunting rifles wear 2.5-10X class scopes. I have no big game hunting rifles with scopes having greater than 10X on the top end, in fact. I even agree with what you're saying, in principle.

All I'm saying is unless you're stalking, hunting driven game, dangerous game, etc where you expect close, quick reaction shots on potentially moving critters, you don't need as much "low" on the low end as you think you do to acquire them in your FOV. For those scenarios, sure, plenty of FOV is your friend, and I prefer 1.5-2X on the low end. If you're hunting from fixed positions like a blind or stand, which was the caveat I gave, you aren't at all handicapped by having "only" 4X on the low end or with a 4X fixed scope for up close encounters on game animals...even moving game animals, unless they are running flat out...in which case one really shouldn't be taking the shot anyway. Or at least, that's been my experience. 

Even though I prefer variable scopes, if I were forced to hunt with only fixed power scopes, I would happily carry on unabated with fixed 4X and 6X scopes and have just as much success. In fact, since 4X is my "default" setting on my variable scopes, I've killed truckloads of deer, pigs, and exotics at that magnification as close as 20 yds from me. 4X works just fine for close-up to medium distances, and 6X is probably the best fixed power magnification for all-around hunting, near to far, for all but extremely close shots. 6X will work just fine for anything around 50 yds and out. It all depends on the type of hunting you do.

And the camera - riflescope magnification comparison is absolutely an "apples to apples" comparison. FOV is FOV and magnification is magnification, no matter the type of optic. Of course following a moving critter with a camera vs a rifle involves different mechanics, but not entirely different. The FOV you see in a camera frame at a given magnification is equivalent to what you see in a sport optic at that same magnification. FOV is half of what defines magnification in the first place. The point was to show how large an animal appears within the FOV at a given distance at a given magnification, which applies to any optic, to show the relative amount of real estate surrounding a critter at said magnification.  Bottom line, if an *un-spooked* deer is standing 20 yards in front of you and you put a 4X optic on it, you won't just see fur, you'll be able to see and track the whole critter, unless you have really poor hand-eye coordination.
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To only see fur at 4-6x you would have to be darn close for sure.  But that said, it is so much easier to find and follow a moving animal with lower mag.  I always run scopes with 3x or less on the bottom end and when stalking in the thicker stuff it rides on the low end.  If I am sitting it may be higher, but usually not by much. 

There are a lot of hunters who like 6x and up.  But I figure why reduce my chances.  I can easily hit anything within 200 yards on 3x and can see things up mighty close and moving pretty quick.  
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I got the Vortex 2-10x40 razor HD LH om the mail today.  The glass is amazingly clear.  The rings haven't arrived yet so i couldn't mount it.  I looked through it across the house and the eye relief at all magnifications is about 4 inches.  I'm loving it.  I think the girls will love it also.  The reticle is nice and clear.  It's not too wide and obtrusive and also not too thin that it will get lost looking in the woods.  This is my first real use of a BDC type reticle.  All my other scopes have been simple crosshairs or plex or milling reticles.  I doubt I'll use it too much.  The turrets are OK.  The clicks are a little mushy and there is some slop between clicks.  They are definitely usable and better than a lot I have turned.  The turrets and the subtensions are both in MOA which is nice.  Overall I'm happy will my new find.
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Well here is the final product.  My daughter and I will take it out tomorrow to sight it in.



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Update?
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Update?  ....
It shoots!
It shoots really well.  I took it to a 50 yard indoor range since my outdoor range was a swamp from all the Imelda rain.  I sighted in 2 inches low at 50 yards.  I got a nice sub 1" group.  I was using factory Federal Fusion 95 gr rounds.  So far I like the Fusions in this rifle, my 30-06 and 6.5CM.  It took 5 rounds to get on point of aim.  I waited about 5 minutes to cool the barrel and then shot for groups.  The first 4 shot group was strung vertically but all touching in a slightly zig zag shape.  I let the barrel cool a little longer and the next 4 shots were more of a typical roundish grouping with a flyer.  Between me and my cousin we shot 20 rounds through it and were very pleased. 
The 18.5" barrel is quite the flame thrower.  Fire is all you see in the scope when the trigger is pulled.  It's going to be hell in low light. 
The Vortex Razor HD LH 2-10x40 was amazing.  I am glad I chose this one.  Perfectly clear at all magnification levels.  I didn't notice any chromatic aberrations at the edges of the targets or shapes.  Keep in mind that I am only looking at a 50 yard range indoors so not the best for review.  I should have looked down the road at something farther away.  The turrets are felt the same.  No real clicks but I got used to it and managed to adjust accurately. 
I will have to do a final sight in at 100 yards and then zero the turrets.
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