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anweis ![]() Optics Master ![]() Joined: January/29/2006 Status: Offline Points: 1026 |
this thread needs to be made a sticky because it has more good advice in a single place than half of the internet combined.
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cheaptrick ![]() MODERATOR ![]() ![]() Joined: September/27/2004 Location: South Carolina Status: Offline Points: 20848 |
Great advise all.
As ST indicated, dry firing has helped me more than I can state. Have you considered a shooting aid style sling? I have a T.A.B. sling and I love it for off hand shooting. Good luck!
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Rancid Coolaid ![]() Optics Jedi Master ![]() ![]() Joined: January/19/2005 Location: United States Status: Online Points: 8412 |
To that exact point: I concentrate on a pre-shot routine rather than on the shot itself, because it keeps me from overthinking things. And when we say "natural point of aim" that means where the sights sit when you put no muscle into it (relaxed, the muzzle will drift to a resting position.) When you find it, DO NOT use muscle to put it back on target, alter your position. I shoot a fair bit prone, so it works like this: if the muzzle falls high, move your core shooting position forward and the muzzle will drop. If you are left of target, move your core shooting position left and the muzzle will move right. Once on target, you should be able to close your eyes, take 2 comfortable breaths, exhale fully, open your eyes, and have almost no drift from perfect center mass. If you have moved significantly, pay attention to where the gun is now aimed - because you just found your natural point of aim for that position. And, as said above, dry fire practice will help immensely.
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JLud ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() ![]() Joined: January/30/2010 Location: Bettendorf, Iow Status: Offline Points: 659 |
I would do all of the above...while winded. I think that simulates quite a bit better and helps to not forget all you practiced the moment you are tired or short of breath. You make mistakes when tired or frazzled...train in that environment of possible.
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urbaneruralite ![]() Optics Journeyman ![]() Joined: January/03/2008 Status: Offline Points: 368 |
If you can hold your body perfectly still, you will still be moved by your heartbeat. Shots must be broken before the reticle passes over the point of aim so that the bullet leaves the barrel while on target. Not seeing this from the bench is due to the sandbags. By using bags, you remove the human body from the system by some degree. In the field you add it back. The level of precision the system is capable of is made less due to the arc of movement introduced by heartbeats. You might have a sub-MOA rifle, but you have a greater than sub-MOA system.
I fight this when trying to headshoot a sq. before it timbers out. Usually, my heart rate is elevated due to covering uneven ground quickly to get to the dog before the sq. makes it to a hole. I get a rest, watch the reticle go over the POA on the head and break the shot on the next go 'round. Using a lower magnification scope helps smooth out the waggle and make this easier to process. I can do this also with Patridge sights on a revolver. I have terrible eyes and shaky hands. The point is this comes down to technique and timing rather than magnification. You might say that you'll combat this with rests, etc. That can work for your movement. But what about a moving animal? Those tend to go up in down in a wave. You gotta time things and bring them together. |
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Sgt. D ![]() Optics Master Extraordinaire ![]() ![]() Joined: February/20/2008 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 3835 |
Covered very well though I feel it may be helpful to note. When your target is "alive" and subject to move messing with your breathing can cause unnecessary issues. As prescribed already, practice dropping into the shot on que (and that in various types of rests), practice your shots with minimal grip and pressure on the rifle (enough not to get an eye tag but enough to keep on target) and breath thru the shot. If your conscious of your breathing you may be over gripping the rifle. Learn your trigger. Whether it is 6oz or 4lbs know when it will break. Then you can load up on the wall and the rhythm of the shot will tell you when to break it. One thing I use to do before I wrecked this body so bad was, I'd do 20 to 40 pushups before I left the house. This gave my upper body a good working blood flow for a couple hours and I noticed I was much more steady on the rifle or bow what ever the case may have been. Little things can make or break any good plan. But practicing good habits does pay off. This has been a good topic for me. It is a reminder to reinforce the basics, some I have let slip and intend to correct. Salute! |
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338LAPUASLAP ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Scope Swapper Joined: October/17/2009 Location: STATESIDE Status: Offline Points: 2518 |
Start shooting and anticipate the up and down of your diaphragm. Don't fight it get used to it. It is repeatable and predictable and will keep you on target. When you learn to shoot under-fire or winded you learn to pull off shots with the ebb and flow so to speak stop fighting it have that be a part of your routine.
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Lockjaw ![]() Optics Apprentice ![]() Joined: May/17/2016 Location: Chelsea Status: Offline Points: 294 |
Ok that helps, my issue seems to be more off some sort of rest, ie out the window of the shooting house. From my tree stand, I usually set my elbow on the front of it, or side, depending.
And you would think the tree stand might be worse, because of the wind blowing... but nope. I was hoping my 700 AAC-SD was going to be my everyday gun, which I think would help, I have 5 different ones I hunt with. NOrmally take the 270 for anything where there can be a long shot, and the shorter guns for tree stand. |
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Alan Robertson ![]() Optics Master ![]() ![]() Joined: October/31/2009 Location: Oklahoma Status: Offline Points: 1759 |
One thing that might be helpful is to learn to breathe with you diaphragm, rather than with your upper chest area, which is the more typical adult way of breathing.
Here's a good video on the subject by Dr. Belisa Vranich: |
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