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    Posted: January/20/2019 at 12:30
Ok, I'm really intrigued by this pistol. The allure of a gun the size of a S&W Shield but with 10+1 capacity in standard mag config, with reportedly good ergos AND a good trigger is hard for me to ignore! I don't know what kind of voodoo they employed to cram that many rounds in a magazine of its size and still maintain a 1" overall thickness. Remarkable!

However, the number of broken firing pins being reported by owners scares me off this design. There have also been some reports of dead triggers due to trigger bar return spring failures, but this isn't as commonly reported as the broken firing pins. I'm hearing Sig is now on Gen 3 of this pistol, with changes made to the striker and the striker channel in the slide to try to correct the firing pin breakage. From what I'm seeing from videos online, this pistol shows extreme primer drag, which no doubt puts stress on the firing pin. A certain degree of primer drag isn't uncommon on micro pistols due to the speed of slide operation and the barrel beginning to unlock from the slide before the firing pin has rebounded back below the breech face. However, fired cases I've seen from 365s in videos show much more extreme primer drag than any of my micro pistols make.

I've been a long time Sig fan, but Sig's recent "nothing to see here, move along" attitude toward the drop safety issues with the P320 and the firing pin issues with the P365 has turned me off of their products. It's not uncommon for new designs to have some initial issues and growing pains, but their lack of ownership of known, demonstrated issues and subsequent refusal to do product recalls concerns me. 

That being said, while it's working, the P365 has received glowing reviews for its handling, trigger, sights, and how it shoots. Its mag capacity for its size is hard to ignore. I sure hope Sig has learned its lesson from the P320 drop safety fiasco and the P365 eventually proves to be a rock solid reliable design. If it is, I could see myself buying one. I just don't want to have the nagging feeling that a catastrophic failure awaits at any moment.

So, what say you P365 owners? What generation of this pistol do you have, and are you seeing long drag marks on your primers or not? Have you had any firing pin breakage or any other issues with yours? Did you keep the original striker or replace with aftermarket?
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Why not simply wait for a little bit longer until Sig gets the design finalized?  It will be very interesting to see when people start comparing Glock G43X with Sig P365.   The side-by-sides will probably zero in on the all the flaws in both designs.

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We looked at the 365, but Angie didn't care much for it. She opted for the 938. So that's what I got for her Christmas. My brother has 1911 that he loves. I can't speak for the reliability of the 365 at all, but for a concealed carry option, it seems like a nice option. The issues that you posted do and would worry me a bit though. Angie has put probably 100 rounds through her 938 and it's doing very well for her. My brothers 1911 has held up very well also.
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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Why not simply wait for a little bit longer until Sig gets the design finalized? 

Oh, I most definitely will.

Which is why I'm checking to see if the design appears to be finalized yet. I'm impatient, ya know.
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No problem with mine. I believe it’s second gen.   Around 400 rounds through it. It’s more accurate than any of the Glocks I have including a gen 4 35 with aftermarket barrel lock, gen 4 29 with Lone Wolf 4.6” prted barrel 43, gen 4 19 and gen 3 27.
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Here's my experience.
Our local indoor range has a 365 in its rental counter.

The first time I tried it, I was very impressed by the trigger, its accuracy, and the way it fit my hand.
I don't have a use for it, but liked it so well I seriously thought about buying one!

The second time, the previous shooter had turned it in without notifying the range that the barrel and spring were loose in the gun.  The range officer and I looked it over, and agreed it needed repair.  They sent it back to the factory for work, and now have the repaired gun back on the line.

The third time I rented it (several weeks ago) it worked just fine.

I don't buy guns that break....and  it's usually a bad idea to buy either guns or cars the first year they come out.  After a year or two, most problems are either resolved or determined to be "unfixable".

I think the 365 has the potential to be a very desirable and accurate pistol....if and when Sig gets the initial bugs worked out. 
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The Sig 365 has recently sparked my interest, but I think I'm going to wait a while before I actually start looking for one. Partially because of the teething problems, and partially because I think the price will come down when the demand goes down.
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 Sig has a well-earned reputation for "sell it now, fix it later", and that has bitten me before.  That said, I really like the 365 and, compared to the glock43, it fits me well and deserves a place in my safe.

I will soon get it back out on the range and look at primer swipes - then might re-evaluate.

This is the gun that goes when the other option is no gun at all.  And, fortunately for fall/winter, that hasn't been a problem yet.  So my 365 is still proving itself as larger guns are in season for now.

By spring, it will either be officially in the rotation or officially out.  I agree on the "I don't own unreliable defense guns" mantra, is should be etched in stone and posted everywhere - especially my property boundaries.

I love the feel of mine - it just fits my hands; and it has been reliable so far (except that 10 round mag that doesn't lock open - but I don't even know where that mag is not, and don't care.)

I too could have waited, but that would mean continuing to carry a gun that I had confidence in its reliability and not so much in my capacity to put rounds on target in times of great stress.


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 So, I made it to the range today to investigate the primer-swiping thing.  I took the 365, a G43, and the M17 - to test a full-size at the same time and with the same ammo, and because I need to shoot it more.

I took some pictures which turned out far worse than they looked at the range - it is an indoor range and the flash isn't needed with such awesome camera technology as now graces my Samsung phone, or something.  They are below, they are terrible, I know.

In short, the Glock had more pronounced swipe than did Sig, but both made impressions in the primer not inconsistent with what others are reporting.

I must admit, I am ambivalent.  As said before, these guns are carried when a larger gun is simply not possible, meaning the alternative to a gun this size is something other than a gun.

I shall now begin the process of investigating whether there is an actual remedy to this, or if it is an engineering effort in progress.
But, one thing is for sure: when I can carry a bigger gun, I will carry a bigger gun.




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They make replacement firing pins for those 365's that are made out of stronger metal.  Mot MIM.  Might be an option if you are concerned about it. 


Probably worth the $100 just for piece of mind.  I would have a hard time carrying a pistol that I was always worried could break.  But them again, the video reviews of the gen2 models seem to be working a lot better. 
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 Yea, that might be an option. I did just check my gun and it looks to be a gen3, with the beefier firing pin shoulder.

I don't see primer swipe complaints of G43s nor do I see complaints of the gen3 365s.


I think the best solution is to carry the 365 at the 2 o'clock position.  And a G43 at the 4 o'clock position, just to be sure.  And for that extra measure of certainty, I have a STI Tactical in a cross-draw at the 11 o'clock position.

Which begs the question: why even carry the sig or glock in the first place.

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Just wear a trench coat and carry a long gun or two as well.  Embarrassed

I keep considering getting a small pistol.  But I carry my service size XD on my hip daily.  I just always wear an un-tucked shirt and it is never an issue.  So I tell myself why.

My XD has many many rounds and have never had a single malfunction.  So I cannot bring myself to get something else.  I just trust it to much. 

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Originally posted by supertool73 supertool73 wrote:



My XD has many many rounds and have never had a single malfunction. 



Have you replaced the striker retainer pin yet?
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I have not
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I understand that Sig is going to come out with a manual safety P365 to be Massivetwosh*ts compliant. If I could get my hands on one I could retire the PPK/S.
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 They had the manual safety version at SHOT, but I don't know when it will release.

When it is available, I will get one.

I can "slum it" without a thumb safety, but still prefer one.  Old dog, old tricks, I guess.
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I also prefer a manual safety, but I can wait till it's here.
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I played with one the other day, but didn't get to shoot it.  I do like the 10+1  in that size.  I think my 938 still feels better though and it shoots good, so I don't know that I will go away from it right now.  If I don't carry that, then I go up in size to my Springfield 1911 9mm, or the Sig P229 Legion 9 mm.
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what price are you guys paying/seeing for the P365?  I can get one local for $499.99.  I have a P2022 that I shoot very well and feel confident shooting it.  I have a Shield for carrying, but I don't carry that much.  I like the idea of having the same make in full size and carry, so thinking about getting a P365.  not sure what I would do with the Shield as I don't really enjoy shooting it. 
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That's a decent price.

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Around $500 is as cheap as I've seen them.  Not many deals to be found on them
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made it to the range and put 200 rounds thru the P365.  Now I'm gonna have to trade my Shield... I like the Sig way too much.  feels better in my hand than the Shield... which is weird cause it smaller.  but the Sig is wider.  the trigger on the Sig is 100x better than the Shield too.
 
The only gripe I would have is that the trigger guard beat the hell out of my trigger finger.  I'm sure because of its size.  it shot both the Rem and the Win ammo just fine.  once I get a few more rounds thru it, I will shoot some carry rounds and adjust the site if needed.  it is painting these FMJs a little to the left.
 
not sure what gen this is... but the primers do show some drag... I will post some pics. 
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