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    Posted: October/31/2011 at 05:58

 


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote stickbow46 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/31/2011 at 06:47
Furious...Thanks for the info KB
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Furious If this stands, we are no longer a free people, but subjects of the Government to be commanded at their will. I will find it EXTREMELY DIFFICULT to obey.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dale Clifford Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: October/31/2011 at 10:30
while I don't agree with obamacare, this clip is totally off base.
some type of health care package will be going through with or without obama
non-residence are treated in emergency rooms any way, you pay for it anyway with no representation.
treatment programs and who chooses what  dollar limits are already in place and mostly have been for years
any healthcare package passed with set limits on tests run for your condition, "defensive" lab test will not be allowed and result in over lower healthcare costs. this stops doctor and hospitals from padding the bill
business have withheld for fica, medicare and federal taxes for years, nothing new here.
the matter will argued before the supreme court next year, and the gov's lawyers main support arguement tis that americans are already required to pay for health care thru state medicaid, emergency room policies, etc. with out representation and a comprehensive health care plan will redirect the costs to those people receiving the benefits.
This is a very "strong" arguement. , being unconstituional in itself, I don't have any doubt it will trump the unconsituionallity arguement of the opposition.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Duce Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: November/06/2011 at 07:59
I have read it and the clip is BS there are several corrections in the stuff circulated on the INTERNET on fact check and snopes.  The same kind of stuff circulated before Medicare was started ( I was in practice before Medicare) Back then very few retired people over 65 could afford health insurance if the could find a company that would write it. The truth of the matter is health insurance, hospital cost and drug cost have to be reformed we pay two and a half time more than any other country for health care and the cost hurts employment in small and large business.  One more big myth is that hospital emergency rooms have to treat you this is only true if it is a life threating emergency if it is not life threatening they can refer you to doctors offices or clinics.  I have never understood people going to an ER with things that could be treated in the office. The ER is going to be 5 to 10 times as expensive as a physic ans office.
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http://www.factcheck.org/2009/08/twenty-six-lies-about-hr-3200/ 
 
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Do these people realize that this kind of thing hurts their credibility?
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If you consider fact check a reliable source... I DO NOT...  yes, there are some "errors" in the video, but no more than anything generated by snopes or fact check.  MSNBC is reliable as those "organizations"...
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Snopes usually puts their source references at the bottom of their page. What can you trust during the political season?
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