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    Posted: February/28/2018 at 07:53
Originally posted by Kickboxer Kickboxer wrote:

The flux capacitor produces no external harmful radiation...

However, the 1.21 gigawatts, supplied to the appropriate high energy beam weapon, will DEFINITELY leave a mark...



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The flux capacitor produces no external harmful radiation...

However, the 1.21 gigawatts, supplied to the appropriate high energy beam weapon, will DEFINITELY leave a mark...


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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

The “view the future” bino would certainly be badass, but I’d be really concerned having a flux capacitor that close to your face might cause a brain tumor.

Don't worry Ted, the garbage-fueled Mr. Fusion is a totally safe, non-carcinogenic power source.

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Originally posted by Sparky Sparky wrote:

I'd be more concerned about having 1.21 gigawatts that close to me.


Haha! Yeah, that’d no doubt “leave a mark!”
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reminds me of my old drill sergeant who told a kid "those glasses are so thick you can see the future"
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I'd be more concerned about having 1.21 gigawatts that close to me.
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The “view the future” bino would certainly be badass, but I’d be really concerned having a flux capacitor that close to your face might cause a brain tumor.
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Originally posted by WJC WJC wrote:

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Over the past 50 years, there have been hundreds of “improvements” in optical/binocular technology to cause observers to go weak in the knees. However, if EACH “improvement” offered only a ¼ percent increase in image quality 100-millimeter objectives could be housed in 30mm cells, would provide photographically flat, aberration-free images, would weigh as much as 4 postage stamps, and would allow the observer to see events days BEFORE they happen.

In addition, even some experience observers claim to be able to see things that can’t be seen by humans. For example:

From page 34 of BINOCULARS: Fallacy & Fact

“Frequently, when an observer suggests one manufacturer’s AR coatings are noticeably superior to those of another brand of similar quality, the difference he or she is seeing probably relates more to baffling, prism shields, edge blackening, size and position of the field stop, knife-edge on that stop, prism type, slotted prisms (in Porro prism instruments), configuration of the eyepiece, and other considerations than coatings alone.”

‘Just thought you should know.

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You made a great choice, of course. EL SV is a superb bino. As far as sharpness out to the edge of the field is concerned, it's as good or better than anything else on the planet.

Most optics companies intentionally design their binos to have some degree of pincushion distortion so that you don't get the aforementioned "rolling ball" effect when panning. Pincushion distortion makes the "flow" of objects in and out of the field of view appear more "normal" to the human brain when panning. This inevitably involves the image being softer along the field edges. With a "flat field" design like the SV, you do get a very expansive, impressive sharp view out to or close to the field edge when looking at stationary objects, but the "globe" or "rolling ball" effect when panning through binos with field flattening optical design makes some people dizzy/causes eye fatigue or headache when doing lots of panning. To some people, this isn't an issue. A lot depends on how you use your binos as well. If you typically do a lot of panning, searching for game animals, you might have an issue, but maybe not. Some people don't notice the globe effect at all, and even among those who do notice it, the issue is sometimes overstated. If you're among those who don't notice it, you tend to do less panning, or if you do notice it but it doesn't bother you, you won't find a better view than the SV offers. All optics involve a series of design tradeoffs. 

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10x42's.  I would have preferred the 50's, but the deal was too good to pass up.  These are new production, and I do not see any rolling ball effect, which I was a little concerned about. 

I had all my different binos out today, and these EL SV's were far and away better than everything else. 

I'd still consider the Leica 50mm's for my kid, if anybody can tell me the difference between the HD and the HD+ in an 8x50 (if the upgrade is worth 300 bucks, or not)
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What size did you get ?  The Swarovision is hard to beat, good to hear you

are pleased.

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Those EL's finally arrived.  Excellent glass.  I made the right choice. 
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Originally posted by probably probably wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

To my eye, Leica Noctivid is the best binocular on the market today.

ILya
As far as Leicas go, I see that the sample list has both Ultravid HD's and the HD+ in the bigger objective models - is there much gained by the HD plus, or is the difference negligible?  Reading different articles online indicates that the step was minor.  

I checked out some of the HD+ models in a store yesterday (yes, in addition to my new EL's, I might buy one more premium bino for my kid who is becoming very serious about hunting) and was impressed by the image, so before I jump on another swaro ......

I have had the EL models both 8x32 and 8.5x42, the former and the Swarovision.

I also have a Leica 8x42 UV HD.  The EL's are better in my eyes, in several ways

including brightness, handling, open bridge and the SV has the flat field view to

the edges. 

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

To my eye, Leica Noctivid is the best binocular on the market today.

ILya
As far as Leicas go, I see that the sample list has both Ultravid HD's and the HD+ in the bigger objective models - is there much gained by the HD plus, or is the difference negligible?  Reading different articles online indicates that the step was minor.  

I checked out some of the HD+ models in a store yesterday (yes, in addition to my new EL's, I might buy one more premium bino for my kid who is becoming very serious about hunting) and was impressed by the image, so before I jump on another swaro ......
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Originally posted by RifleDude RifleDude wrote:

Though maybe not the best value for their hefty price tags, the good news about all of the upper tier, so-called “alpha” binos mentioned is you can’t make a bad choice, even if you choose one that isn’t the “ultimate” match to your eyes. The differences between them optically will be minuscule to most people, and those differences will boil down to personal preferences, not necessarily borne out of technical superiority of one over the other. I really believe when you get into this class of optic, things like form factor/ergos, eyecup comfort, focuser speed and feel, etc is as or more important than optical performance. At this level, they are all optically stunning.

I couldn't have said it better, as JG stated, "right on...".
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Though maybe not the best value for their hefty price tags, the good news about all of the upper tier, so-called “alpha” binos mentioned is you can’t make a bad choice, even if you choose one that isn’t the “ultimate” match to your eyes. The differences between them optically will be minuscule to most people, and those differences will boil down to personal preferences, not necessarily borne out of technical superiority of one over the other. I really believe when you get into this class of optic, things like form factor/ergos, eyecup comfort, focuser speed and feel, etc is as or more important than optical performance. At this level, they are all optically stunning.
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The old 10x50 SLC nue are awesome... though heavy for field work (walking n stalking)
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thanks for all the info guys. I decided to go with a new 10x42 EL.

I might pick up an older SLC at some point. an 8x50 or something, but for now the EL should do everything I need a binocular to do. 
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To my eye, Leica Noctivid is the best binocular on the market today.

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Originally posted by mike650 mike650 wrote:

I have a pair of 7x42 SLC nue's and they're fantastic, right up there optically with my 10x42 EL's. Colors pop looking through them, I just hate the focus wheel of the SLC's, the EL's are more hunter friendly when focusing and lighter too.


We were talking older SLC’s, I should have added that both my Swaro binos are older models around the time they introduced Swaroclean (hydrophobic coating).... ‘06 or ‘07? They’ve greatly improved both lines since then.

+1 check out Leica too.
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Look at the high end Leica’s and Zeiss too, don’t just be stuck on swaro’s. Different eyes prefer different brands. Try to take them outside the atore to compare. It makes a world of diff. Ergonomics are huge as well
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You can do research and then you can come to what works for many.

In the midrange , the Zeiss Conquest HD models are very good. If you like

low light brightness, these models rise to the top. 

I am not trying to confuse you, I am just commenting about binoculars I use.

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thanks guys, I was actually gravitating towards the 8x42 but possibly in the SLC model.  

It is difficult to find the technical history of swarovski online in order to get a breakdown of innovations and improvements over the years, but I did just come across a dutch website which, when translated, had a link to van Ginkel's technical reports. Unfortunately the report ends around 2011 with the EL SV's and the SLC HD's, so whatever improvements were made (strap connections and relocation of logo??) since then is not discussed. 

http://www.houseofoutdoor.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/HISTORY-AND-QUALITY-DEVELOPMENT-OF-SWAROVSKI-OPTIK-1935-TO-THE-PRESENT-TIME..pdf
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Originally posted by anweis anweis wrote:

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you are trying to save a few hundred dollars on the purchase of a luxury, high performance, high longevity, high subjectivity, instrument, Yet, clearly, you can afford any binoculars.
Put it this way: whatever binoculars you purchase, it will last 20 years and will end up costing you about $100/year or less. That is 5 times less than you are paying for your phone right now. A great well chosen binoculars will bring you satisfaction every time you use it. Ten years after the purchase the price will be irrelevant.

First of all, my advice would be to get a 8x, rather than 10x. Second, get the top dog model and be done with it.

Get the  8.5 EL SV. Done.

 

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I am quoting anweis, as I agree with his thoughts.  I have experience with several Swarovski's

including the 10x42 SLC, the NEU, and the 8.5x42 EL and the current Swarovision.

The older 10x42 SLC is very good, and it is very bright, and the swarobright versions will do

very well compared against any of the newer midrange models. 

The EL model has the nice open frame handling which I like and is a step up. 

If you have $1K to spend, then don't settle for a Meopta, they are just  midrange, the EL is a

step up, and you would enjoy the better ergos. and brightness of the Swarovski models.

That includes a later model SLC, and Neu.

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