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    Posted: August/15/2019 at 23:43
looking for help with a scope, main use white tail deer Iowa. Want very good low light, quick on target, lighted crosshairs. max yardage 200, running targets mainly, thanks.
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I have a Trijicon 1-4 on my .458 SOCOM... works great.  I'm very happy with it, like it more the more I use it.  Wish I had gotten a red reticle instead of green, but I got a FANTASTIC deal on it off SWFA's Samplelist.  They show up there sometimes and hard to beat the prices.  You get a nearly new scope for cutrate price.  
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For me, it is very difficult to beat a good red dot: hella fast on target, perfect illumination for any lighting situation (a good red dot, that is), very reliable, super wide field of view, and more than enough inside 200 yards.

Moving game and very close encounters would make a good 1-4X or 1-6X a great choice as well, but they will still be conventional tube optics, requiring good cheek weld and eye position behind the optic; red dots are faster - whether that is a good thing or not is up to the shooter to decide.

For the record, I don't shoot a beowolf or SOCOM; if I need that kinda damage, I just throw a grenade at it.
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what red dots / tridgacon would you recommend ? don't like batteries, so long life a must
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I keep the Trijicon on 2x, the reticle (center cross hair with mil-dots) makes it very nearly as simple as a red-dot, but has expanded capabilities, if required.  It was a toss up for me to go with red-dot or the Trijicon on this rifle and the Samplelist deal won out.  I've never regretted it.  If I could have found as good a deal on a GOOD red-dot at the time, that is probably what would be on it, though.  There is something in the simplicity of the red-dots that is very attractive and they ARE functional. 
They just happened to be in big demand when I needed to put optics on the SOCOM... none available at that time that were not a great deal more than the Trijicon.  
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If you want extremely long battery life the red-dot will be the way to go.  Trijicon Accupoint uses a battery and advertises 31 hours continuous at max brightness.  Aimpoint (some models), and some others, advertises 50000 hours (almost 6 years) at mid-brightness... if you forget to turn it off, you still  have LONG life.  
Depends on your precise needs.  I really like my Trijicon, better than I expected, and I love my Aimpoints.  Trijicon also has scopes that are "point and shoot" types that do not require a battery, but they are pretty pricey.  You should look through the SWFA electronic catalogue, find those that intrigue you, then ask for some details on those models... there are members here who have used and/or evaluated a LOT of lighted reticle/red-dot scopes and can provide some great comparison data.  
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The battery part is the tricky part then. If you really want long battery life, that is Aimpoint - or a Trijicon acupoint scope with tritium illumination (no battery, works very well in low light.)

Red dots are "both eyes open" so great field of view and accurate enough. If you go with a 2 MOA dot, the dot will cover 4 inches at 200 yards, so somewhere in that 4 inch circle is where your half-inch diameter bullet will strike - assuming you've done the work before you pull the trigger.

A variable 1-4 or 1-6 will indeed have expanded capabilities, that should factor in; but - for me - they are slower on target and not nearly as good at tracking a moving target.

What's your budget?

My favorite variable in this range is the Vortex Razor HD 1-6, it is very heavy, very bright, and very durable. And did I mention it was heavy? That is the scope that most often rides a rifle that needs red dot fast and 6X precision. At 1X (and it is a true 1X), it is exceedingly bright and clear and almost as fast on target as a conventional red dot. But it is pricey.

And heavy!

I also have the SWFA 1-4, but it chews through batteries even when turned off. I store mine with the battery in the pistol grip and a backup in under the battery compartment cap on the side turret - and usually have another around somewhere, just in case. That one isn't quite a true 1X and isn't quite as fast on target at 1X, but is far less expensive and far lighter weight. I haven't used it much in very low light, but it should do fine.
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Would like to keep it around a grand 1500 tops. I'm liking the Trijicon acog the whole fiber optic thing is nice
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ACOG is a well-proven optic.

It's drawbacks are getting the right ballistics on the reticle, short eye relief for many models (I'm not sure what recoil is like for that round, but guessing it is more than a 223), and always set magnification (and not 1X at that.)

They are near bombproof, illumination is great, no batteries. That said, it isn't 1X, won't zoom, and if you get a 3X, it will not be great tracking up close and moving targets.

But they are great optics for certain applications.
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I would be wary of ACOG on a 458SOCOM.  Many have short eye relief which makes a bad combination with 458SOCOM recoil.

I mostly use Vortex Razor HD LH 1.5-8x32 on mine and it works really well.  I want that gun light and this is a very light weight scope.

If I were going with a variable that goes down to 1x, I'd be looking at a quality 1-4x of some sort with a bright illuminated reticle and large exit pupil on 1x.

There aren't too many high end 1-4x scopes left, since most makers have gone on to higher erector ratios, but there are still a few out there.

March has a 1-4x24 with a very bright illuminated dot (their FD reticle) and they have that also in a 1-10x.

Steiner P4Xi 1-4x24 has a bright dot and it is a lot less expensive, but the reticle is designed for 5.56 and I have never tried it on a heavier recoiling gun.

Leica Visus 1-4x24 is a good option that is very fast on 1x.  That or the March would be my top choice.

Meopta still makes their Meostar 1-4x24, I think, but their 1-6x24 is also a good option.

Leupold has a couple of scopes that would fit, but I have not tested them, so I can't say how well they hold up.

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I would get the Trijicon accupoint 1-4x.  I have had one for years, it is a great optic.  Very bright, very fast at 1x and the triangle illuminated reticle is very fast and very bright.  I love mine. 
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AR platform?
I tend to prefer the compact ACOG in a LaRue RCO mount but eye relief is a problem for recoil.
eye relief on the 1.5x is 3.6 inches  moving to the 2x drops eye relief to 2.1 inches (no go)
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I'd go for a 1.5-6x42. Bit better for low light with the x24/30mm lense diameter
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Originally posted by Scrumbag Scrumbag wrote:

I'd go for a 1.5-6x42. Bit better for low light with the x24/30mm lense diameter

That's a very good recommendation.  Meopta Meostar 1.5-6x42 is in his price range.

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Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Scrumbag Scrumbag wrote:

I'd go for a 1.5-6x42. Bit better for low light with the x24/30mm lense diameter

That's a very good recommendation.  Meopta Meostar 1.5-6x42 is in his price range.

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And if you can get the illuminated version I would have thought been great.

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Originally posted by Scrumbag Scrumbag wrote:

Originally posted by koshkin koshkin wrote:

Originally posted by Scrumbag Scrumbag wrote:

I'd go for a 1.5-6x42. Bit better for low light with the x24/30mm lense diameter

That's a very good recommendation.  Meopta Meostar 1.5-6x42 is in his price range.

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And if you can get the illuminated version I would have thought been great.

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Anybody have experience with this scope for the OP's application, or thoughts on the reticle for use in hunting? This scope has always intrigued me for quick shots in timber/brush but I've never seen one.
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With illumination, it will work really well.  Without illumination, the reticle is pretty small, so it is not very easy to pick up.  It works if you have time.

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I just swapped scopes on my SOCOM and 7.62x39.  The SOCOM now has a Leupold Pig Plex 1-4 and the 7.62x39 has the Trijicon 1-4.  The Pig Plex is set at 2.75in eye relief and there are NO issues.  I'm shooting factory 350gr jacketed flat nose at about 1750 FPS and 500gr jacketed round nose at about 1100 FPS... 
The Beowulf has about a 1.5% "advantage" with factory ammo, so I don't foresee any greater recoil issues with it.  I've fired a Beowulf and did not find it any more aggressive recoil-wise than the SOCOM.  But mine is a single point of reference.  
The Pig Plex with illumination is a very useful reticle.  Mine is not illuminated, so it is not as useful as it could be... I like it OK and it actually improves my opinion of Leupold.
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Originally posted by Maverick2 Maverick2 wrote:

Anybody have experience with this scope for the OP's application, or thoughts on the reticle for use in hunting? This scope has always intrigued me for quick shots in timber/brush but I've never seen one.


It will be a nice scope but again really not great in low light such as under trees in the brush...
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i will look into vortex and the like, Im in the Waterloo area

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sorry, yes it is an ar15 platform
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i will look into vortex and the like, Im in the Waterloo area



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